Uploaded August 2026 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago

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This clip is from the Acton Line podcast, episode 576 with Marcel van Hattem. You can listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube and acton.org/podcasts. If you’d like to support this podcast, you can help by leaving a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts. If you have questions or suggestions for a future episode, you can email us at podcast@acton.org.