The Separation of Money and State | David Zell x Peter McCormack @MrObnoxiousPod

Mr Obnoxious | The Separation of Money and State | David Zell x Peter McCormack @MrObnoxiousPod | Uploaded October 2024 | Updated October 2024, 2 hours ago.
David Zell is the Executive Director of the Bitcoin Policy Institute, a think tank focused on the public policy implications of Bitcoin.

In this episode, we discuss the political landscape surrounding Bitcoin, its role as an insurance policy for both individuals and nation-states, how Bitcoin competes against traditional currencies, the global demand for stable money, and its implications for U.S. geopolitical strategy, especially in contrast to authoritarian regimes like China. We also discuss the politicisation of Bitcoin, potential regulatory threats, and how Bitcoin's existence challenges traditional financial systems.

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00:00:00 - Introduction
00:05:03 - Bitcoin vs. Crypto
00:11:00 - Bitcoin’s & Geopolitics
00:20:40 - Demand for Stable Currencies
00:27:00 - Tail Risks with Bitcoin Regulation
00:33:11 - U.S. Elections & Bitcoin
00:40:10 - Bitcoin & Authoritarian Regimes
00:53:20 - The FTX Collapse
01:05:40 - Politicisation of Bitcoin
01:35:00 - Civil Disobedience
02:03:50 - Bitcoin & Political Economy
02:15:15 - Bitcoin and Freedom

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