Uploaded May 2026 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago

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For years, Jonah Goldberg’s enemies, acquaintances, and wife have accused him of being little more than a slightly advanced proboscis monkey. Today’s guest, author Jonathan Leaf, is here to prove them definitively wrong. Jonah and Jonathan explore how similar humans and apes actually are, while also touching on warlike animals, humans and the herd, chimp violence, the Jets, polygamy, language, hardwiring, Jane Goodall, and preferential homosexuality along the way.

Show Notes:
thedispatch.com/podcast/remnant/monkey-business-interview-jonathan-leaf