Uploaded October 2024 | Updated September 2026, 1 hour ago
Justin Marceau was lead counsel in the People v. Tracy Murphy. I speak to him about the serious misconduct we revealed in the case – and what it tells us about the broader problem of criminal justice.
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Chapters:
Chapter 1) 00:00-11:25 Intro, Tracy Murphy’s case & trial, Animal Activist Legal Defense Project (at Sturm College of Law - University of Denver), & the defense gets new information days before trial starts
Chapter 2) 11:26-20:56 At the dismissal: the judge reprimands defense while wrongly praising the prosecution, “poverty of low expectations” in the criminal justice system, constitutional violations against Tracy Murphy, compliments about the legal team working well together, & Tracy’s bravery to not take a plea deal
Chapter 3) 20:57-28:01 Would destruction of evidence have been enough to dismiss the case without familial relationship disclosure, & not a strong case for the prosecution in front of a jury
Chapter 4) 28:02- 36:34 Do people in the US really have presumption of
innocence in the American legal system, & Tracy’s learning her legal rights to the cows
Chapter 5) 36:35-47:56 Tracy followed the law in this case, law students & lawyers should learn how to emotionally be there for their clients, intense animal agricultural opposition & disinformation against Tracy’s compassionate choices, & how Tracy has helped the authorities & community with animals abuse cases
Chapter 6) 47:57-56:24 Employees betraying Tracy, harassment against Tracy, how society & local communities are divided, & the power of the prosecution
Chapter 7) 56:25-1:13:54 Justin & Wayne working together & with the legal team for animal rights activists, & Justin’s advice to new lawyers & activists
Chapter 8) 1:13:55-1:27:14 How to make the legal system more accessible, the need for authenticity in personal & public interactions, Wayne’s proposed changes to the court, & lawyers empowering their activist clients
Chapter 9) 1:27:15-1:37:45 What Justin learned from the Asha Rescue Trial, Wayne’s arguments in court, getting to know local lawyers, final thoughts, & check out the website Animal Activist Legal Defense Project (link above)
Chapter 10) 1:37:46-1:38:02 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis
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Support Tracy Murphy
Facebook: facebook.com/tracy.murphy.3572
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/tracy-murphy-4b40b410
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Books & Essays:
“Beyond Cages: Animal Law and Criminal Punishment” by Justin Marceau
“Carceral Logics: Human Incarceration and Animal Captivity” by Lori Gruen (Editor) & Justin Marceau (Editor)
“Truth and Transparency: Undercover Investigations in the Twenty-First Century” by Alan K. Chen & Justin Marceau
“Cases and Materials on the Death Penalty (American Casebook Series)” by Nina Rivkind, Steven Shatz, Sam Kamin, & Justin Marceau
“Federal Habeas Corpus: Cases and Materials” by Andrea Lyon, Emily Hughes, Mary Prosser, & Justin Marceau
“Death Penalty in a Nutshell” by Victor Streib, Sam Kamin, & Justin Marceau
“Voluntary Prosecution and the Case of Animal Rescue” by Justin Marceau, Wayne Hsiung, & Steffen Seitz (Harvard Law Review)
harvardlawreview.org/forum/vol-137/voluntary-prosecution-and-the-case-of-animal-rescue
Books mentioned:
“The Art of Choosing” by Sheena Iyengar
“The Paradox of Choice: Why More Is Less” by Barry Schwartz
Movies mentioned:
“The Joker” (2019)
Justin Marceau was lead counsel in the People v. Tracy Murphy. I speak to him about the serious misconduct we revealed in the case – and what it tells us about the broader problem of criminal justice.
—
The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org!
—
Follow Animal Activist Legal Defense Project (AALDP)
Website: https://www.law.du.edu/content/animal-activist-legal-defense-project
Instagram: instagram.com/aaldp_du
XTwitter: https://x.com/AALDP_DU
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Chapters:
Chapter 1) 00:00-11:25 Intro, Tracy Murphy’s case & trial, Animal Activist Legal Defense Project (at Sturm College of Law - University of Denver), & the defense gets new information days before trial starts
Chapter 2) 11:26-20:56 At the dismissal: the judge reprimands defense while wrongly praising the prosecution, “poverty of low expectations” in the criminal justice system, constitutional violations against Tracy Murphy, compliments about the legal team working well together, & Tracy’s bravery to not take a plea deal
Chapter 3) 20:57-28:01 Would destruction of evidence have been enough to dismiss the case without familial relationship disclosure, & not a strong case for the prosecution in front of a jury
Chapter 4) 28:02- 36:34 Do people in the US really have presumption of
innocence in the American legal system, & Tracy’s learning her legal rights to the cows
Chapter 5) 36:35-47:56 Tracy followed the law in this case, law students & lawyers should learn how to emotionally be there for their clients, intense animal agricultural opposition & disinformation against Tracy’s compassionate choices, & how Tracy has helped the authorities & community with animals abuse cases
Chapter 6) 47:57-56:24 Employees betraying Tracy, harassment against Tracy, how society & local communities are divided, & the power of the prosecution
Chapter 7) 56:25-1:13:54 Justin & Wayne working together & with the legal team for animal rights activists, & Justin’s advice to new lawyers & activists
Chapter 8) 1:13:55-1:27:14 How to make the legal system more accessible, the need for authenticity in personal & public interactions, Wayne’s proposed changes to the court, & lawyers empowering their activist clients
Chapter 9) 1:27:15-1:37:45 What Justin learned from the Asha Rescue Trial, Wayne’s arguments in court, getting to know local lawyers, final thoughts, & check out the website Animal Activist Legal Defense Project (link above)
Chapter 10) 1:37:46-1:38:02 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis
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Follow Justin Marceau
XTwitter: https://x.com/justin_marceau
Facebook: facebook.com/justin.marceau.9
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/marceau-justin-97b33015
Support Asha’s Farm Sanctuary
Website: ashasfarmsanctuary.org
Facebook: facebook.com/@ashasfarmsanctuary
Instagram: instagram.com/ashasfarmsanctuary
XTwitter: twitter.com/AshasSanctuary
TikTok: tiktok.com/@ashas_farm_sanctuary?lang=en
Support Tracy Murphy
Facebook: facebook.com/tracy.murphy.3572
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/tracy-murphy-4b40b410
—
Books & Essays:
“Beyond Cages: Animal Law and Criminal Punishment” by Justin Marceau
“Carceral Logics: Human Incarceration and Animal Captivity” by Lori Gruen (Editor) & Justin Marceau (Editor)
“Truth and Transparency: Undercover Investigations in the Twenty-First Century” by Alan K. Chen & Justin Marceau
“Cases and Materials on the Death Penalty (American Casebook Series)” by Nina Rivkind, Steven Shatz, Sam Kamin, & Justin Marceau
“Federal Habeas Corpus: Cases and Materials” by Andrea Lyon, Emily Hughes, Mary Prosser, & Justin Marceau
“Death Penalty in a Nutshell” by Victor Streib, Sam Kamin, & Justin Marceau
“Voluntary Prosecution and the Case of Animal Rescue” by Justin Marceau, Wayne Hsiung, & Steffen Seitz (Harvard Law Review)
harvardlawreview.org/forum/vol-137/voluntary-prosecution-and-the-case-of-animal-rescue
Books mentioned:
“The Art of Choosing” by Sheena Iyengar
“The Paradox of Choice: Why More Is Less” by Barry Schwartz
Movies mentioned:
“The Joker” (2019)
