Uploaded August 2026 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago
In this episode of Conversations That Matter, Jon Harris revisits the COVID era through the lens of Anthony Fauci’s public statements and congressional testimony—including his decision to plead the Fifth. The discussion examines how many evangelical leaders and institutions responded at the time, the frequent use of Romans 13 and “love your neighbor” arguments, and which churches and pastors actually stood firm.Harris shares the key lessons he believes Christians should take from 2020–2021: good theology is only proven under pressure, the importance of thinking independently, and the value of leaders who refuse to bend conviction for social approval. The episode also covers current cultural observations on immigration and the persecution of Christians in Nigeria, the surprising success of country artist Ella Langley, recent Trump administration actions, listener questions, and a clear call to maintain integrity regardless of the cultural winds.
00:00 Fauci Clips Montage
02:00 Welcome & Why This Still Matters
05:50 What Evangelical Leaders Said About Fauci
10:00 Lessons from COVID: Theology Meets Reality
13:50 Churches That Stayed Open – The Real Heroes
18:00 Elites, Platforms & Parachurch Failures
21:00 Thinking for Yourself & Finding Courage
59:00 Immigration, Nigeria & Western Democracies
1:02:30 Ella Langley’s Chart Success
1:09:00 Trump Administration Updates
1:10:30 Listener Questions & Personal Notes
1:16:30 Final Takeaways from COVID
1:21:00 Closing & ETP Coffee
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In this episode of Conversations That Matter, Jon Harris revisits the COVID era through the lens of Anthony Fauci’s public statements and congressional testimony—including his decision to plead the Fifth. The discussion examines how many evangelical leaders and institutions responded at the time, the frequent use of Romans 13 and “love your neighbor” arguments, and which churches and pastors actually stood firm.Harris shares the key lessons he believes Christians should take from 2020–2021: good theology is only proven under pressure, the importance of thinking independently, and the value of leaders who refuse to bend conviction for social approval. The episode also covers current cultural observations on immigration and the persecution of Christians in Nigeria, the surprising success of country artist Ella Langley, recent Trump administration actions, listener questions, and a clear call to maintain integrity regardless of the cultural winds.
00:00 Fauci Clips Montage
02:00 Welcome & Why This Still Matters
05:50 What Evangelical Leaders Said About Fauci
10:00 Lessons from COVID: Theology Meets Reality
13:50 Churches That Stayed Open – The Real Heroes
18:00 Elites, Platforms & Parachurch Failures
21:00 Thinking for Yourself & Finding Courage
59:00 Immigration, Nigeria & Western Democracies
1:02:30 Ella Langley’s Chart Success
1:09:00 Trump Administration Updates
1:10:30 Listener Questions & Personal Notes
1:16:30 Final Takeaways from COVID
1:21:00 Closing & ETP Coffee
Jon's Music: jonharristunes.com
To Support the Podcast:
jonharrismedia.com/support
Become a Patron
patreon.com/jonharrispodcast
Substack: substack.com/@jonharris
Follow Jon on Twitter: twitter.com/jonharris1989
Follow Jon on Facebook:
facebook.com/jonharris1989
