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Filming and Editing by Rebecca Hamilton-Levi
Music: "The Caretaker" by Isaac Joel
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Transcript:
I remember one specific blog that talked about how the human soul doesn't want to be fixed, it just wants to be witnessed, and it was about this idea of the perils of advice giving, and... to really listen to the light that shines within and to hear it, and how the noise of our world often kind of clouds it for me. So I found that spoke to my condition, as Quakers say. It made me feel like this was language that I could understand.
The Interplay of Quaker Practice and Therapy
My Name is Hayden Dawes. I go to Durham Friends Meeting. I live in Greensboro, North Carolina.
So in my work in being a therapist and how Quakerism plays a role in that I think one informs the other. I think being a Quaker makes me a better therapist and being a therapist makes me a better Quaker. Learning to see that of God in everyone, I think, helps me to sit in the distress that others might bring in. And also having my own distress, having a Quaker meeting to hold all that might be coming up for me in my own life so that I might be able to hold the suffering of others. So, the aspect of community has been really important so that I can show up in a more authentic, genuine, and willing to enter into those kind of dark, suffering spots that people bring into therapy, has been really really important and kind of difficult to put language to it.
I also think that being a Quaker is an invitation to show up into public in a more real, wholehearted way, and I think recognizing that my work as a therapist doesn't end at the end of session nor does it end with each individual that I'm working with; that it is extended into the public domain as well, and I think had I not learned about the practices of the way in which Friends hold community, I'm not sure that I would be willing or as able to kind of go to those spaces.
"An Invitation to White Therapists"
Yeah, so the piece that I wrote for Medium that went viral, "An Invitation to White Therapists," was really an invitation, a call for White therapists in particular, as well as all of the structures of what our mental health system looks like, to really start looking inwardly as to what ways are we perpetuating racist, old ways of seeing people, especially Black and Brown people. What I was very fearful of is that with Black Lives Matter and with George Floyd and Breonna Taylor that we were only going to limit the conversation to police brutality. Police brutality exists in a system of rampant dehumanization of what it means to be Black, what it means to have darker skin. I did not want the therapist community to point fingers at our brothers and sisters in blue without also looking at the ways in which we help prop up the system of racism and White supremacy.
If I had not learned how to listen to Spirit I'm not sure that I would have had the courage to sit down to write it, and then after writing it to hear Spirit push me to put it out in the world, and to feel as confident to stand beside the work and the piece and realize that it both came through me and is an extension of my larger work. I think Quaker community, Quaker practice has given me the support that I needed in order to do that.
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Filming and Editing by Rebecca Hamilton-Levi
Music: "The Caretaker" by Isaac Joel
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Transcript:
I remember one specific blog that talked about how the human soul doesn't want to be fixed, it just wants to be witnessed, and it was about this idea of the perils of advice giving, and... to really listen to the light that shines within and to hear it, and how the noise of our world often kind of clouds it for me. So I found that spoke to my condition, as Quakers say. It made me feel like this was language that I could understand.
The Interplay of Quaker Practice and Therapy
My Name is Hayden Dawes. I go to Durham Friends Meeting. I live in Greensboro, North Carolina.
So in my work in being a therapist and how Quakerism plays a role in that I think one informs the other. I think being a Quaker makes me a better therapist and being a therapist makes me a better Quaker. Learning to see that of God in everyone, I think, helps me to sit in the distress that others might bring in. And also having my own distress, having a Quaker meeting to hold all that might be coming up for me in my own life so that I might be able to hold the suffering of others. So, the aspect of community has been really important so that I can show up in a more authentic, genuine, and willing to enter into those kind of dark, suffering spots that people bring into therapy, has been really really important and kind of difficult to put language to it.
I also think that being a Quaker is an invitation to show up into public in a more real, wholehearted way, and I think recognizing that my work as a therapist doesn't end at the end of session nor does it end with each individual that I'm working with; that it is extended into the public domain as well, and I think had I not learned about the practices of the way in which Friends hold community, I'm not sure that I would be willing or as able to kind of go to those spaces.
"An Invitation to White Therapists"
Yeah, so the piece that I wrote for Medium that went viral, "An Invitation to White Therapists," was really an invitation, a call for White therapists in particular, as well as all of the structures of what our mental health system looks like, to really start looking inwardly as to what ways are we perpetuating racist, old ways of seeing people, especially Black and Brown people. What I was very fearful of is that with Black Lives Matter and with George Floyd and Breonna Taylor that we were only going to limit the conversation to police brutality. Police brutality exists in a system of rampant dehumanization of what it means to be Black, what it means to have darker skin. I did not want the therapist community to point fingers at our brothers and sisters in blue without also looking at the ways in which we help prop up the system of racism and White supremacy.
If I had not learned how to listen to Spirit I'm not sure that I would have had the courage to sit down to write it, and then after writing it to hear Spirit push me to put it out in the world, and to feel as confident to stand beside the work and the piece and realize that it both came through me and is an extension of my larger work. I think Quaker community, Quaker practice has given me the support that I needed in order to do that.
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The views expressed in this video are of the speakers and do not necessarily reflect the views of Friends Journal or its collaborators.


![The Key to Spirit-Led Pastoral Care
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I worked as a pastor cause I was ordained in 1987. Several times I experienced nice dreams that were conducting me to the leadership of a chior. So I could hear the good song, I could hear the voice and the words and write them and the next day I would have to teach the song to the choir. It was marvelous. One song which I used, and which was spread in the whole Friends church in Burundi at that time, it talks about the love of God. God is love, we should love one another. I will sing just one chorus for you.
My name is pastor Abel Siibonio. I grew up in Evangelical Friends Chursh, in Burundi. It’s now seventeen years I’m living in Australia, and I’m attending Queensland Regional Meeting of Friends. I was able to recognize some of my gifts through the holy spirit showing me the way. Sometimes when I was on the mountain looking after sheeps, I could hear some good and kind voice often requesting me to consecrate my life to Christ. I spent like four years in the bible school from 1974, and I returned to my village and was able to go through and work for Evangelical Friends Church. So it was not easy for me at that time to enter that field, but it was the holy spirit who guided me. Strength comes from the peace, love, simplicity testimonies. Love one another; that really helped me a lot to make sure we are bringing everybody on board.
Pastoral skills needed in this field are so many. Be able to listen. Be able to listen to other people. be able to discern what is good [from] what is bad. If you dont have the spirit of discernment, someone may come and bring a bad teacher and the whole church will fall! You need to be able to listen to the friends around you, elders around you, and be able to listen to the holy spirit because the spirit will go beyond you as a human being.
Another skill, of course you ned to be able to talk. In Africa, we dont have always have the microphone. You need your voice to be able to reach 500 people who are there. I was not able to have the kind of voice when I was young. So often, when I was just outside in the mountains, I would try to practice the voice e. I would just shout, I could say, “Now, if I can hear the echo, that means the voice reached that mountain and came back”. Not only talking, but you need to discern what to talk [about] at the right time.
Sometimes we need, also, to have some skills on medical issues. Be able to recognize ‘this is that spiritual issues, this is malaria’. In my village, we had this bloody diarrhea, and people didn’t think it was a curable disease. Because I was able to know, I did support all of the people in the village. None of them died! So you need the skill to recognize what is the spiritual and what is physical.
Yes, another skill you need as a pastor, you need a social skill. You can interact with other neighbors, people from different angles because you will need them. You need to visit prisoners, and if you dont have the skill to approach the leadership of our social places, you wont reach to anything. For newcomers, it’s good to have elders to help you to identify. You empower them to go beyond just understanding the newcomer and be able to identify some of their needs. Sometimes they may come to church because of the domestic violence issues they are facing in the families, or any kind of abuse. So we have trained an elder woman to talk to them. I did that even in the [Tanzania] refugee camp, where I became the first woman group leader in the the whole camp, so that I could serve them.
You have to be brave because of the authorities, sometimes they are not Christians. Sometimes with the police, who were taking advantage of, you know, young girls who were just working for them, and cooking for them, or washing their clothes they started sexually abusing them. I said, “No. You have been brought here to protect my people, you cannot take advantage of them”. So one night, they surrounded my house, like fifteen police, at night to kill me. If it was not [for] the community who had protected me that night I could have died! Six refugees were killed the same night. So the next morning the camp commander came to office and said, “I want to view! I want to see what you are writing! What do you report?” So my immediate supervisor came to visit me with a sexual gender based violence program evaluator from England...
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