Uploaded January 2024 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago
This is a repost of a discussion with Benjamin Boyce (@BenjaminABoyce) on the topic of the Enlightenment, rationalism and science, the problem of identity on the levels of the individual and the group, value hierarchies, authoritarianism, subsidiarity, love, and sacrifice.
This conversation happened after I had some disagreements with James Lindsay on Twitter (X) about the Enlightenment and authoritarianism.
My and Jordan Peterson’s research paper published through ARC.
Identity: Individual and the State versus the Subsidiary Hierarchy of Heaven: arc-research.org/research-papers/the-subsidiary-hierarchy
Original interview on Benjamin’s channel: youtu.be/UlClZ92kOVU?si=bgyngPBnLh4MPZqH
--
Join us for the Symbolic World Summit on Feb 29th, 2024. Learn more: thesymbolicworld.com/summit
--
Timestamps:
00:00 - Coming up
00:56 - Intro music
01:21 - The frame of "Enlightenment"
04:41 - How to evaluate value hierarchies
11:24 - Authoritarianism is always possible
12:49 - How do you know if there's an imbalance?
16:09 - Reality's revenge against Enlightenment thinking
17:49 - The current "Christian nationalism"
20:00 - We are downstream from WW2
23:21 - What is subsidiarity?
23:27 - ARC essay
27:08 - I'm not an idealist
29:58 - Imposing "Christianity"
32:05 - The world is becoming religious again
34:41 - The only solution for the problem of identity
36:43 - How does Subsidiarity work?
43:18 - What is an individual? And what is love?
55:26 - Top-down imposition
01:01:24 - No one wins the culture war
01:05:03 - Where does transformation start?
01:06:52 - Compassion for the strange
01:10:01 - Benjamin's approach
01:11:03 - The purpose of sacrifice
01:15:55 - Sacrifice and love
01:17:31 - Ritualized sacrifice
01:20:19 - Projects
01:24:15 - Postmodern storytelling tools
💻 Website and blog: thesymbolicworld.com
🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau
🗣 Join The Symbolic World Community for discussions about symbolism: thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe
🔒 BECOME A PATRON: thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe
📱 SOCIAL MEDIA
Facebook: facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld
Twitter: twitter.com/pageaujonathan
Instagram: instagram.com/jonathan.pageau
Our website designers: resonancehq.io
My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson.
This is a repost of a discussion with Benjamin Boyce (@BenjaminABoyce) on the topic of the Enlightenment, rationalism and science, the problem of identity on the levels of the individual and the group, value hierarchies, authoritarianism, subsidiarity, love, and sacrifice.
This conversation happened after I had some disagreements with James Lindsay on Twitter (X) about the Enlightenment and authoritarianism.
My and Jordan Peterson’s research paper published through ARC.
Identity: Individual and the State versus the Subsidiary Hierarchy of Heaven: arc-research.org/research-papers/the-subsidiary-hierarchy
Original interview on Benjamin’s channel: youtu.be/UlClZ92kOVU?si=bgyngPBnLh4MPZqH
--
Join us for the Symbolic World Summit on Feb 29th, 2024. Learn more: thesymbolicworld.com/summit
--
Timestamps:
00:00 - Coming up
00:56 - Intro music
01:21 - The frame of "Enlightenment"
04:41 - How to evaluate value hierarchies
11:24 - Authoritarianism is always possible
12:49 - How do you know if there's an imbalance?
16:09 - Reality's revenge against Enlightenment thinking
17:49 - The current "Christian nationalism"
20:00 - We are downstream from WW2
23:21 - What is subsidiarity?
23:27 - ARC essay
27:08 - I'm not an idealist
29:58 - Imposing "Christianity"
32:05 - The world is becoming religious again
34:41 - The only solution for the problem of identity
36:43 - How does Subsidiarity work?
43:18 - What is an individual? And what is love?
55:26 - Top-down imposition
01:01:24 - No one wins the culture war
01:05:03 - Where does transformation start?
01:06:52 - Compassion for the strange
01:10:01 - Benjamin's approach
01:11:03 - The purpose of sacrifice
01:15:55 - Sacrifice and love
01:17:31 - Ritualized sacrifice
01:20:19 - Projects
01:24:15 - Postmodern storytelling tools
💻 Website and blog: thesymbolicworld.com
🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau
🗣 Join The Symbolic World Community for discussions about symbolism: thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe
🔒 BECOME A PATRON: thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe
📱 SOCIAL MEDIA
Facebook: facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld
Twitter: twitter.com/pageaujonathan
Instagram: instagram.com/jonathan.pageau
Our website designers: resonancehq.io
My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson.
