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Birth rates are dropping and global population growth is slowing. Why? We’re heard all the different speculation: It’s the economy. It’s housing costs. It’s the feminists. But what if the biggest driver is that thing we all carry in our pockets?
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In today’s episode, guest host Christine Emba speaks with data journalist John Burn-Murdoch about declining fertility rates across vastly different cultures and economies. They discuss the role smartphones might play in this phenomenon, why governments have struggled to reverse the trend, and how dropping birthrates could change our economy and culture.
Guest Host Christine Emba, columnist and author
Guest: John Burn-Murdoch, Chief Data Reporter for The Financial Times
00:00 Intro
01:49 What is the replacement rate?
07:43 Why are birth rates dropping?
12:48 Why governments cannot reserve the trend
25:13 Why are birthrates dropping in developing countries?
33:02 Can birthrates recover?
42:40 How can we change our relationship to our phones?
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Birth rates are dropping and global population growth is slowing. Why? We’re heard all the different speculation: It’s the economy. It’s housing costs. It’s the feminists. But what if the biggest driver is that thing we all carry in our pockets?
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In today’s episode, guest host Christine Emba speaks with data journalist John Burn-Murdoch about declining fertility rates across vastly different cultures and economies. They discuss the role smartphones might play in this phenomenon, why governments have struggled to reverse the trend, and how dropping birthrates could change our economy and culture.
Guest Host Christine Emba, columnist and author
Guest: John Burn-Murdoch, Chief Data Reporter for The Financial Times
00:00 Intro
01:49 What is the replacement rate?
07:43 Why are birth rates dropping?
12:48 Why governments cannot reserve the trend
25:13 Why are birthrates dropping in developing countries?
33:02 Can birthrates recover?
42:40 How can we change our relationship to our phones?
We would love to hear from you. To tell us what you thought of this episode, email us at thegrayarea@vox.com or leave us a voicemail at 1-800-214-5749. Your comments and questions help us make a better show.
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Listen to The Gray Area ad-free by becoming a Vox Member: vox.com/members
Vox.com is a news website that helps you cut through the noise and understand what's really driving the events in the headlines. Check out http://www.vox.com.
Watch our full video catalog: goo.gl/IZONyE
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