Jonathan Pageau | The Fall Into Meta-Consciousness | with Bernardo Kastrup (More Christ) @JonathanPageau | Uploaded November 2022 | Updated October 2024, 4 hours ago.
This is a repost of my second conversation with Bernardo Kastrup on the More Christ channel and podcast. We discuss the question of different levels and kinds of consciousness, agency, meta-consciousness, spontaneous (“unconscious”) intelligence, intuition, the boundaries of identity, team dynamics and how all of this tie in with the Genesis narrative.
Original video:
Episode 88: Jonathan Pageau/Bernardo Kastrup 2: Consciousness, Meta-Consciousness, God, and Morality: youtu.be/_-aadYA6S6A
My previous discussion with Bernardo Kastrup:
Episode 75: Jonathan Pageau/Bernardo Kastrup: Orthodoxy, Resurrecting the Western Mind, Body & Soul: youtu.be/usFMBUTkaLk
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Timestamps:
00:00:00 - Coming up next...
00:01:04 - Intro music
00:01:30 - Introducing the guests
00:02:05 - Reflecting on their last conversation
00:04:42 - The continuity of identity
00:07:30 - John Vervaeke: Agency VS Consciousness
00:09:38 - Attributing private inner consciousness
00:17:27 - Team dynamics
00:25:53 - Is top-down more fundamental than bottom-up?
00:30:24 - Illusions below
00:35:46 - The boundaries of identity
00:43:01 - The angels serve Man
00:47:00 - Where are angels and demons?
00:52:12 - Back to the problem of multiplicity
00:57:27 - True contradictions
01:03:22 - "Unconscious"/Spontaneous intelligence
01:13:01 - Drugs and trauma
01:18:53 - Are other beings also meta-conscious?
01:21:00 - The story of Genesis
01:24:22 - What is meta-consciousness?
01:30:47 - Meta-consciousness in the Genesis narrative
01:38:42 - Moral responsibility
01:46:51 - The Fall into meta-cognition
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My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson.
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This is a repost of my second conversation with Bernardo Kastrup on the More Christ channel and podcast. We discuss the question of different levels and kinds of consciousness, agency, meta-consciousness, spontaneous (“unconscious”) intelligence, intuition, the boundaries of identity, team dynamics and how all of this tie in with the Genesis narrative.
Original video:
Episode 88: Jonathan Pageau/Bernardo Kastrup 2: Consciousness, Meta-Consciousness, God, and Morality: youtu.be/_-aadYA6S6A
My previous discussion with Bernardo Kastrup:
Episode 75: Jonathan Pageau/Bernardo Kastrup: Orthodoxy, Resurrecting the Western Mind, Body & Soul: youtu.be/usFMBUTkaLk
=============
Timestamps:
00:00:00 - Coming up next...
00:01:04 - Intro music
00:01:30 - Introducing the guests
00:02:05 - Reflecting on their last conversation
00:04:42 - The continuity of identity
00:07:30 - John Vervaeke: Agency VS Consciousness
00:09:38 - Attributing private inner consciousness
00:17:27 - Team dynamics
00:25:53 - Is top-down more fundamental than bottom-up?
00:30:24 - Illusions below
00:35:46 - The boundaries of identity
00:43:01 - The angels serve Man
00:47:00 - Where are angels and demons?
00:52:12 - Back to the problem of multiplicity
00:57:27 - True contradictions
01:03:22 - "Unconscious"/Spontaneous intelligence
01:13:01 - Drugs and trauma
01:18:53 - Are other beings also meta-conscious?
01:21:00 - The story of Genesis
01:24:22 - What is meta-consciousness?
01:30:47 - Meta-consciousness in the Genesis narrative
01:38:42 - Moral responsibility
01:46:51 - The Fall into meta-cognition
=============
- The Symbolic World website and blog: thesymbolicworld.com
- Merch: http://www.thesymbolicworld.store
- The Language of Creation (Matthieu Pageau): amazon.com/Language-Creation-Cosmic-Symbolism-Genesis-ebook/dp/B07D738HD8
- Carving workshop: jonathanpageau.thinkific.com/courses/st-john-baptist
The Symbolic World podcast:
- Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/0gI8bUwPtT3gkduHqNh6M5
- Apple podcasts: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-symbolic-world/id1386867488
More videos from The Symbolic World:
- Odysee: odysee.com/@thesymbolicworld:2
- Clips Channel: youtube.com/c/JonathanPageauClips
- French Channel: youtube.com/c/JonathanPageaufrançais
- Bitchute: bitchute.com/channel/pageaujonathan
- Dtube: steemit.com/@symbolism
Join the conversation:
- Unofficial Facebook discussion group: facebook.com/groups/1989208418065298
- The Symbolic World Reddit: reddit.com/r/TheSymbolicWorld
Support this channel:
- Website: thesymbolicworld.com/support
- Patreon: patreon.com/pageauvideos
- Subscribestar: subscribestar.com/jonathan-pageau
- Paypal: paypal.me/JonathanPageau
Social media links:
- Facebook: facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld
- Twitter: twitter.com/pageaujonathan
- Instagram: instagram.com/jonathan.pageau
My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson.
My website designers, Anomalist Design: anomalistdesign.com
