The Exploring Antinatalism Podcast | The Exploring Antinatalism Podcast #65 - Matti Häyry @exploringantinatalismpodcast | Uploaded September 2022 | Updated October 2024, 1 hour ago.
Welcome to the Sixty-Fifth episode of The Exploring Antinatalism Podcast! Today, Amanda ‘Oldphan’ Sukenick speaks with Professor of Philosophy at Aalto University School of Business in Helsinki Finland, & author of several papers on the subject of Antinatalism including, A rational cure for prereproductive stress syndrome, The rational cure for prereproductive stress syndrome revisited & If you must make babies, then at least make the best babies you can? Matti Häyry!
Learn more about the work of Matti Häyry by exploring this Linktree!:
https://linktr.ee/mattihayry
Read the full transcript here!: exploringantinatalism.com/episodes/ep65.pdf
Read all about Matti's experience of being on the show, here!: antinatalisminternational.com/matti-hayry/?fbclid=IwAR2sWuPTixhO7630x2JXKIaorO2h338x3c9C_pDMfLE-IZ56L_J7urbU5Y0
Roe v. Wade and the Predatory State Interest in Protecting Future Cannon Fodder:
cambridge.org/core/journals/cambridge-quarterly-of-healthcare-ethics/article/roe-v-wade-and-the-predatory-state-interest-in-protecting-future-cannon-fodder/E0B5B6BAB94565D2157411D5D06AB945#article
0:00 Intro
02:21 Who is Matti Häyry?
04:01 Why are you an antinatalist?
06:51 How did you become interested in bioethics?
09:20 Are you a negative utilitarian?
10:53 How long have you been thinking that procreation is risky, irrational, and immoral?
12:36 What do you think of antinatalism’s growth and reception?
14:36 Who’s work do you read, who do you think highly of?
14:55 Does antinatalism figure in your teaching?
15:21 What is your view on sentiocentrism?
18:59 On which side do you fall in the matter of human extinction?
20:01 How do you see the connections between antinatalism and atheism, right to die, and veganism?
22:45 The Cowbridge Diaries: Would you push the button?
24:33 When did you first hear the word “antinatalism”?
25:28 How should antinatalism be defined?
28:09 How do you pronounce “antinatalismi” – antinatalism in Finnish?
28:30 How do you see the role of art in philosophy and activism?
34:36 Identities 2017 – from Orkid by Visitors from Bellatrix
38:29 What is this story about asymmetry and quality of life arguments in your 1992 work?
43:27 How, in 1995, did you come to the realization that life can be positively bad?
46:19 What made you decide to write about this?
47:45 Did David Benatar’s 1997 work influence you in 2004?
48:21 What is “prereproductive stress syndrome”?
49:26 Why did you think that reproduction is irrational? What is this “maximin” rationality?
52:33 Why did you think that reproduction is immoral?
55:49 Do you still think that we should tolerate the immorality of those having children?
57:54 You seem to be more confident about the irrationality than the immorality?
58:43 How do you see antinatalism’s future after the reversal of Roe v. Wade?
1:00:28 What are your views on the practical advances in antinatal activism?
1:04:08 Passification 2010 – from Orkid by Visitors from Bellatrix
1:06:36 What was the reception of these new ideas and how did you handle it?
1:09:00 Søren Holm noted that maximin is not the only rationality in reproduction. How did you respond to that
1:10:08 Was there any follow-up from Holm?
1:10:24 Sahin Aksoy opposed you from a strongly pronatalist point of view. How did you respond?
1:12:48 Rebecca Bennett seems to have defended technologies like producing savior siblings but agrees with you on the irrationality of having children. What are you thoughts on her criticism?
1:14:40 David Wasserman (2015) and others argue that you are unreasonably risk averse. What are your thoughts on this?
1:15:50 How could we be too risk averse trying to avoid harm to others?
1:16:33 So we are allowed to gamble, just not with other people's money?
1:17:44 Have you responded to Wasserman?
1:17:56 You illustrate the metaphoricality of risk by this Sealed Box example. Can you explain your thinking here?
1:22:53 You seem to have addressed mostly philanthropic arguments for antinatalism. What about misanthropic ones?
1:26:36 You conclude by saying that people should be stopped from having children but probably cannot. Do you still think that this is true?
1:31:05 Silent Night 2019 – from Orkid by Visitors from Bellatrix
1:35:09 What, in your opinion, is the strongest argument for antinatalism?
1:38:24 What do you think of AI antinatalism?
1:39:51 What made you start writing about antinatalism again after so many years?
1:41:58 What is this “Offer I could not refuse”?
1:43:39 Can you think of circumstances in which you would have a duty to bring someone in here?
1:44:09 When will the paper be published?
1:44:18 How does antinatalism differ from other controversial views in bioethics?
1:48:53 Is antinatalism even more controversial in some sense?
1:51:10 What are you working on now?
1:52:24 Dreamless Night 2017 – from Orkid by Visitors from Bellatrix
1:56:04 Do you have any concluding thoughts?
1:59:37 Where do people find you in the internet?
Welcome to the Sixty-Fifth episode of The Exploring Antinatalism Podcast! Today, Amanda ‘Oldphan’ Sukenick speaks with Professor of Philosophy at Aalto University School of Business in Helsinki Finland, & author of several papers on the subject of Antinatalism including, A rational cure for prereproductive stress syndrome, The rational cure for prereproductive stress syndrome revisited & If you must make babies, then at least make the best babies you can? Matti Häyry!
Learn more about the work of Matti Häyry by exploring this Linktree!:
https://linktr.ee/mattihayry
Read the full transcript here!: exploringantinatalism.com/episodes/ep65.pdf
Read all about Matti's experience of being on the show, here!: antinatalisminternational.com/matti-hayry/?fbclid=IwAR2sWuPTixhO7630x2JXKIaorO2h338x3c9C_pDMfLE-IZ56L_J7urbU5Y0
Roe v. Wade and the Predatory State Interest in Protecting Future Cannon Fodder:
cambridge.org/core/journals/cambridge-quarterly-of-healthcare-ethics/article/roe-v-wade-and-the-predatory-state-interest-in-protecting-future-cannon-fodder/E0B5B6BAB94565D2157411D5D06AB945#article
0:00 Intro
02:21 Who is Matti Häyry?
04:01 Why are you an antinatalist?
06:51 How did you become interested in bioethics?
09:20 Are you a negative utilitarian?
10:53 How long have you been thinking that procreation is risky, irrational, and immoral?
12:36 What do you think of antinatalism’s growth and reception?
14:36 Who’s work do you read, who do you think highly of?
14:55 Does antinatalism figure in your teaching?
15:21 What is your view on sentiocentrism?
18:59 On which side do you fall in the matter of human extinction?
20:01 How do you see the connections between antinatalism and atheism, right to die, and veganism?
22:45 The Cowbridge Diaries: Would you push the button?
24:33 When did you first hear the word “antinatalism”?
25:28 How should antinatalism be defined?
28:09 How do you pronounce “antinatalismi” – antinatalism in Finnish?
28:30 How do you see the role of art in philosophy and activism?
34:36 Identities 2017 – from Orkid by Visitors from Bellatrix
38:29 What is this story about asymmetry and quality of life arguments in your 1992 work?
43:27 How, in 1995, did you come to the realization that life can be positively bad?
46:19 What made you decide to write about this?
47:45 Did David Benatar’s 1997 work influence you in 2004?
48:21 What is “prereproductive stress syndrome”?
49:26 Why did you think that reproduction is irrational? What is this “maximin” rationality?
52:33 Why did you think that reproduction is immoral?
55:49 Do you still think that we should tolerate the immorality of those having children?
57:54 You seem to be more confident about the irrationality than the immorality?
58:43 How do you see antinatalism’s future after the reversal of Roe v. Wade?
1:00:28 What are your views on the practical advances in antinatal activism?
1:04:08 Passification 2010 – from Orkid by Visitors from Bellatrix
1:06:36 What was the reception of these new ideas and how did you handle it?
1:09:00 Søren Holm noted that maximin is not the only rationality in reproduction. How did you respond to that
1:10:08 Was there any follow-up from Holm?
1:10:24 Sahin Aksoy opposed you from a strongly pronatalist point of view. How did you respond?
1:12:48 Rebecca Bennett seems to have defended technologies like producing savior siblings but agrees with you on the irrationality of having children. What are you thoughts on her criticism?
1:14:40 David Wasserman (2015) and others argue that you are unreasonably risk averse. What are your thoughts on this?
1:15:50 How could we be too risk averse trying to avoid harm to others?
1:16:33 So we are allowed to gamble, just not with other people's money?
1:17:44 Have you responded to Wasserman?
1:17:56 You illustrate the metaphoricality of risk by this Sealed Box example. Can you explain your thinking here?
1:22:53 You seem to have addressed mostly philanthropic arguments for antinatalism. What about misanthropic ones?
1:26:36 You conclude by saying that people should be stopped from having children but probably cannot. Do you still think that this is true?
1:31:05 Silent Night 2019 – from Orkid by Visitors from Bellatrix
1:35:09 What, in your opinion, is the strongest argument for antinatalism?
1:38:24 What do you think of AI antinatalism?
1:39:51 What made you start writing about antinatalism again after so many years?
1:41:58 What is this “Offer I could not refuse”?
1:43:39 Can you think of circumstances in which you would have a duty to bring someone in here?
1:44:09 When will the paper be published?
1:44:18 How does antinatalism differ from other controversial views in bioethics?
1:48:53 Is antinatalism even more controversial in some sense?
1:51:10 What are you working on now?
1:52:24 Dreamless Night 2017 – from Orkid by Visitors from Bellatrix
1:56:04 Do you have any concluding thoughts?
1:59:37 Where do people find you in the internet?
