Intellectual Catholicism | The Case for Icon Veneration - An Almost Comprehensive Response to Gavin Ortlund @intellectualcatholicism | Uploaded May 2023 | Updated October 2024, 11 hours ago.
Slides: https://www.academia.edu/101765499/Responding_to_Gavin_Ortlund_on_Icon_Veneration
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00:01:17 - Introduction
00:03:02 - Helpful Previous Lectures
00:04:10 - Preliminary Remarks
00:08:04 - Contents
00:08:35 - Gavin's Objections
00:09:51 - My Responses
00:11:11 - My Thesis
00:11:37 - Objection 1: No Development
00:14:36 - The decree of the Council
00:34:08 - The sessions of the Council
00:39:28 - Nicaea II's Use of Sources
00:42:28 - The sessions
01:44:40 - The Way of Reasoning
01:46:51 - Historical Falsifications of Nicaea II
01:49:00 - Veneration according to Nicaea II
01:52:51 - Gavin's definition of "cultic use of images"
01:56:08 - More Falsifications Conditions of Nicaea II
01:58:07 - Conclusion of Objection 1
01:59:26 - Objection 2: The Fathers
02:06:26 - Pagan Images
02:10:48 - Theology and History
02:17:55 - Examination of Gavin's Sources
02:19:50 - Irenaeus (???)
02:24:51 - Tertullian (Against N2)
02:29:30 - Clement of Alexandria (???)
02:35:15 - Felix (???)
02:38:47 - Origen (???)
02:47:16 - Elvira (Inadmissible)
02:48:40 - Lactantius (???)
02:52:59 - Arnobius (???)
02:56:20 - Eusebius (???)
03:02:24 - Epiphanius (Out of Context)
03:06:44 - Augustine (might support N2)
03:13:37 - Gregory (50-50)
03:17:33 - Gavin's Sources (Conclusion)
03:20:01 - History of Icon Veneration
03:20:13 - Second Temple Judaism
03:31:31 - Old Testament
03:45:33 - Apostles
03:50:23 - Valid Doctrinal Development
03:52:20 - The Validity of Nicaea II
03:54:07 - Development Chart
03:56:53 - Conclusion
03:58:29 - The Gospel
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Suan Sonna is a Baptist convert to Catholicism who is dedicated to curating the best Catholic intellectual content on philosophy, politics, and theology. He is also passionate about engaging people outside of the Catholic tradition on issues relevant to the Church.
Slides: https://www.academia.edu/101765499/Responding_to_Gavin_Ortlund_on_Icon_Veneration
00:00:00 - St. Luke's Byzantine Catholic Church: byzantinekc.org
DONATE LINK: secure.myvanco.com/YNN0/home
00:01:17 - Introduction
00:03:02 - Helpful Previous Lectures
00:04:10 - Preliminary Remarks
00:08:04 - Contents
00:08:35 - Gavin's Objections
00:09:51 - My Responses
00:11:11 - My Thesis
00:11:37 - Objection 1: No Development
00:14:36 - The decree of the Council
00:34:08 - The sessions of the Council
00:39:28 - Nicaea II's Use of Sources
00:42:28 - The sessions
01:44:40 - The Way of Reasoning
01:46:51 - Historical Falsifications of Nicaea II
01:49:00 - Veneration according to Nicaea II
01:52:51 - Gavin's definition of "cultic use of images"
01:56:08 - More Falsifications Conditions of Nicaea II
01:58:07 - Conclusion of Objection 1
01:59:26 - Objection 2: The Fathers
02:06:26 - Pagan Images
02:10:48 - Theology and History
02:17:55 - Examination of Gavin's Sources
02:19:50 - Irenaeus (???)
02:24:51 - Tertullian (Against N2)
02:29:30 - Clement of Alexandria (???)
02:35:15 - Felix (???)
02:38:47 - Origen (???)
02:47:16 - Elvira (Inadmissible)
02:48:40 - Lactantius (???)
02:52:59 - Arnobius (???)
02:56:20 - Eusebius (???)
03:02:24 - Epiphanius (Out of Context)
03:06:44 - Augustine (might support N2)
03:13:37 - Gregory (50-50)
03:17:33 - Gavin's Sources (Conclusion)
03:20:01 - History of Icon Veneration
03:20:13 - Second Temple Judaism
03:31:31 - Old Testament
03:45:33 - Apostles
03:50:23 - Valid Doctrinal Development
03:52:20 - The Validity of Nicaea II
03:54:07 - Development Chart
03:56:53 - Conclusion
03:58:29 - The Gospel
Patreon: patreon.com/intellectualcatholicism
Podcast: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/intellectual-conservatism/id1550879909
Facebook: facebook.com/intellectualcatholicism
Suan Sonna is a Baptist convert to Catholicism who is dedicated to curating the best Catholic intellectual content on philosophy, politics, and theology. He is also passionate about engaging people outside of the Catholic tradition on issues relevant to the Church.
