Uploaded December 2020 | Updated September 2026, 1 week ago

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This is obviously about my Debate with James. This ones a long one so be ready for that. Are ideas for each of us is as simple as I dislike BvS while James liked it. Who will prevail? Watch to find out......

Debate notes:
When hated it:
He hated the phasing and editing (Blames the theater cut)
Read a lot of comics at the time
Not the core of the character

When liking it:
Creative freedom
TV movie lighting
{Everything but the movie}
Cause Marvel LOL

"love the ultimate cut"
"Made Superman human"
"Themes"
"The destruction gives Batman a motive"
Agrees on themes
"how do I be superman"??? but where's the pay off
"deconstruction of Superman" ?!? Still can have conflicted messaging and Still can be superman
"CGI" hurts other story
"Dark-side apart of superman arc"
"Next movie it explains it"
"Has point to dunk on batman"
"Batman is a hypocrite"

0:00 Pre-debate thoughts
1:52 Intro
3:04 introduction
3:32 How James got from hating it to liking it
22:34 Batman motivation for killing Superman
26:39 Who's god?
30:06 Why does Lex want to kill Superman?
34:50 Why do people think that Superman is evil?
1:00:13 Why didn't Superman make a public statement?
1:01:28 Why would they build a statue for Superman if they fear him?
1:07:11 Is the ultimate cut better?
1:10:49 The themes
1:18:42 Conflicting messages for Superman
1:26:21 The color Platte
1:31:30 Why did Lex need access to Zod's body if he already ran tests?
1:33:45 Is BvS a generic superhero movie?
1:39:37 Why is wonder woman here?
1:46:08 The themes now vs then
1:47:54 The actors behind the scenes
1:48:37 Batman solo movies
1:50:01 What is the point of the dream sequences?
1:59:29 The Martha scene
2:05:37 What are the positives to BvS?
2:08:40 Why didn't Batman wait for the tracker to arrive at the location?
2:09:52 Did Superman blow up the court house?
2:11:21 Why didn't Batman figure out Lex's plan?
2:14:03 The acting/Character moments in BvS
2:21:44 How did Lois know that the spear could kill doomsday?
2:22:51 How did Lex know Superman's identity?
2:24:19 Ads
2:27:26 Did lex know that Batman was going to steal the kryptonite?
2:31:32 Why didn't Batman make kryptonite bullets?
2:33:03 The conflict between Batman and Superman
2:40:07 Closing thoughts
2:42:55 James thoughts on the Debate
2:43:57 Post Debate thoughts
2:47:43 James thoughts on Control
2:49:10 DMC videos
2:51:28 Out of Context clips #1
2:52:10 Out of Context clips #2
2:53:56 Out of Context clips #3
2:55:46 Out of Context clips #4
2:56:37 Out of Context clips #5
2:59:13 Out of Context clips #6
3:01:15 Post-Post Debate thoughts

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