Iwer Sonsch | [TAS] SM64: 12B swimming + alcove red for WDW reds 0xA @iwersonsch5131 | Uploaded October 2021 | Updated October 2024, 4 hours ago.
Achieving a swimming speed of 12.049 ("12B swimming") and collecting a boxed red coin in Wet-Dry World without the A button, and without speed conservation from a Chuckya throw.
This video uses TAS. An RTA setup might be attempted by terminating a 0.5xA swim into 1-3 punches (the second and third one being frame-perfect if needed), and performing the clip that way. Punches are needed as A swimming bounces off floors, losing Mario's pitch, and 11+ speed is needed because Mario's intended next position must be 10+ units below the bottom of the box' wall triangles.
This find is expected to allow for a faster, overflow-less route for the red coin star. It would go as follows:
1. Despawn some objects in the main area to manipulate slots for cloning
2. Clone the box on the orange building, then collect its red coin
3. Lower the water to about -250 (from -127) in order to unlock 12B swimming on the floors next to the high crystal
4. Use the 12B swim to clip into the alcove box and collect its red
5. Lower the water to about -640 in order to break the box on the brown building
6. Raise the water back to about -250 to unlock 12B swimming once again, collecting the reds on the brown and the red building for air
7. Raise the water to about +3500 to swim from the lower crystal to the white building
8. Collect the reds on the white building, grey building, downtown walls, and the star.
This video showcases steps 3 and 4. Step 2 is yet to be confirmed. My estimate for the length of this route is around 40-60 minutes, though the exact pace of 12B water raising is unknown.
The previous fastest route was estimated to take about 114 minutes. It would have used water overflow (youtu.be/-KLYv86Ntl4 ), water lowering (youtu.be/zjdkGWJcDVw ), and a Chuckya boost at the start (youtu.be/oQX6OJpaOdM ).
For this video, I assumed that keeping 16 speed from the Chuckya boost through step 2 is not possible, though it is likely that we actually can. However, keeping 16 speed through step 5 does not seem possible.
While hitting the water changer is actually useful for step 6, it is slightly detrimental for step 3 so I expect the final TAS to replace its usage with the oscillating water cycle.
I proposed this route before even finding this clip, as I expected a skeeter bounce + star dance clip to also let us obtain this red coin. A skeeter bounce would have been a headache, however, as the skeeter doesn't feel very lurable. Having to spawn a 100 coin star would have also limited step 1.
Achieving a swimming speed of 12.049 ("12B swimming") and collecting a boxed red coin in Wet-Dry World without the A button, and without speed conservation from a Chuckya throw.
This video uses TAS. An RTA setup might be attempted by terminating a 0.5xA swim into 1-3 punches (the second and third one being frame-perfect if needed), and performing the clip that way. Punches are needed as A swimming bounces off floors, losing Mario's pitch, and 11+ speed is needed because Mario's intended next position must be 10+ units below the bottom of the box' wall triangles.
This find is expected to allow for a faster, overflow-less route for the red coin star. It would go as follows:
1. Despawn some objects in the main area to manipulate slots for cloning
2. Clone the box on the orange building, then collect its red coin
3. Lower the water to about -250 (from -127) in order to unlock 12B swimming on the floors next to the high crystal
4. Use the 12B swim to clip into the alcove box and collect its red
5. Lower the water to about -640 in order to break the box on the brown building
6. Raise the water back to about -250 to unlock 12B swimming once again, collecting the reds on the brown and the red building for air
7. Raise the water to about +3500 to swim from the lower crystal to the white building
8. Collect the reds on the white building, grey building, downtown walls, and the star.
This video showcases steps 3 and 4. Step 2 is yet to be confirmed. My estimate for the length of this route is around 40-60 minutes, though the exact pace of 12B water raising is unknown.
The previous fastest route was estimated to take about 114 minutes. It would have used water overflow (youtu.be/-KLYv86Ntl4 ), water lowering (youtu.be/zjdkGWJcDVw ), and a Chuckya boost at the start (youtu.be/oQX6OJpaOdM ).
For this video, I assumed that keeping 16 speed from the Chuckya boost through step 2 is not possible, though it is likely that we actually can. However, keeping 16 speed through step 5 does not seem possible.
While hitting the water changer is actually useful for step 6, it is slightly detrimental for step 3 so I expect the final TAS to replace its usage with the oscillating water cycle.
I proposed this route before even finding this clip, as I expected a skeeter bounce + star dance clip to also let us obtain this red coin. A skeeter bounce would have been a headache, however, as the skeeter doesn't feel very lurable. Having to spawn a 100 coin star would have also limited step 1.
![[TAS] SM64: 12B swimming + alcove red for WDW reds 0xA](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6LfBG_PMNlc/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] SM64: 12B swimming + alcove red for WDW reds 0xA
Achieving a swimming speed of 12.049 (12B swimming) and collecting a boxed red coin in Wet-Dry World without the A button, and without speed conservation from a Chuckya throw.
This video uses TAS. An RTA setup might be attempted by terminating a 0.5xA swim into 1-3 punches (the second and third one being frame-perfect if needed), and performing the clip that way. Punches are needed as A swimming bounces off floors, losing Marios pitch, and 11+ speed is needed because Marios intended next position must be 10+ units below the bottom of the box wall triangles.
This find is expected to allow for a faster, overflow-less route for the red coin star. It would go as follows:
1. Despawn some objects in the main area to manipulate slots for cloning
2. Clone the box on the orange building, then collect its red coin
3. Lower the water to about -250 (from -127) in order to unlock 12B swimming on the floors next to the high crystal
4. Use the 12B swim to clip into the alcove box and collect its red
5. Lower the water to about -640 in order to break the box on the brown building
6. Raise the water back to about -250 to unlock 12B swimming once again, collecting the reds on the brown and the red building for air
7. Raise the water to about +3500 to swim from the lower crystal to the white building
8. Collect the reds on the white building, grey building, downtown walls, and the star.
This video showcases steps 3 and 4. Step 2 is yet to be confirmed. My estimate for the length of this route is around 40-60 minutes, though the exact pace of 12B water raising is unknown.
The previous fastest route was estimated to take about 114 minutes. It would have used water overflow (https://youtu.be/-KLYv86Ntl4 ), water lowering (https://youtu.be/zjdkGWJcDVw ), and a Chuckya boost at the start (https://youtu.be/oQX6OJpaOdM ).
For this video, I assumed that keeping 16 speed from the Chuckya boost through step 2 is not possible, though it is likely that we actually can. However, keeping 16 speed through step 5 does not seem possible.
While hitting the water changer is actually useful for step 6, it is slightly detrimental for step 3 so I expect the final TAS to replace its usage with the oscillating water cycle.
I proposed this route before even finding this clip, as I expected a skeeter bounce + star dance clip to also let us obtain this red coin. A skeeter bounce would have been a headache, however, as the skeeter doesnt feel very lurable. Having to spawn a 100 coin star would have also limited step 1.")
