Drew Weatherton | [TAS] Mario Kart 64, DKJP Non-SC(?) Strategy @weatherton | Uploaded 11 years ago | Updated 9 hours ago
Poll at http://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1376855161 if you want to vote.
Is this an acceptable Non-SC Strategy? I wonder what people think. I TASed this at this year's Kart 64 / Goldeneye Virginia meet and a majority of the folks I showed it to thought it should be classified non-shortcut strategy. By my interpretation of the shortcut definition for the Mario Kart 64 speedrunning community, this appears to be a non-shortcut strategy to me. It also happens to be over a second faster than racing this section with the standard strategy.
For reference, here is the "official" description of shortcut versus non-shortcut racing on http://www.mariokart64.com/mk64/faq.shtml :
"What is a shortcut?
The principle of "shortcuts" actually started with the first kart (SMK). They were originally called "tricks" and were not distinguished from other times in SMK. At this MK64 site, we distinguish and separate non-SC and SC races and reserve the right to ask for proof. Anyhow, here it is guys.
- Jumping over ANY walls or fences. (LR, KD, TT, CM, MR, WS, DK, YV, RRo)
- Using the assistance of lakitu in any fashion. (TT, FS, RRa, DK, YV)
I would also like to answer the next logical question. What is legal in Non-Shortcut Racing?
- Cutting Grass or Sand either on flat ground or hills.
- Jumping unobstructed cracks or gaps.
- Using preprogrammed routes that were intended by the programmers such as KTB's tunnel."
Poll at http://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1376855161 if you want to vote.
Is this an acceptable Non-SC Strategy? I wonder what people think. I TASed this at this year's Kart 64 / Goldeneye Virginia meet and a majority of the folks I showed it to thought it should be classified non-shortcut strategy. By my interpretation of the shortcut definition for the Mario Kart 64 speedrunning community, this appears to be a non-shortcut strategy to me. It also happens to be over a second faster than racing this section with the standard strategy.
For reference, here is the "official" description of shortcut versus non-shortcut racing on http://www.mariokart64.com/mk64/faq.shtml :
"What is a shortcut?
The principle of "shortcuts" actually started with the first kart (SMK). They were originally called "tricks" and were not distinguished from other times in SMK. At this MK64 site, we distinguish and separate non-SC and SC races and reserve the right to ask for proof. Anyhow, here it is guys.
- Jumping over ANY walls or fences. (LR, KD, TT, CM, MR, WS, DK, YV, RRo)
- Using the assistance of lakitu in any fashion. (TT, FS, RRa, DK, YV)
I would also like to answer the next logical question. What is legal in Non-Shortcut Racing?
- Cutting Grass or Sand either on flat ground or hills.
- Jumping unobstructed cracks or gaps.
- Using preprogrammed routes that were intended by the programmers such as KTB's tunnel."
![[TAS] Mario Kart 64, DKJP Non-SC(?) Strategy](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/eUTD9fKJS9U/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] Mario Kart 64, DKJP Non-SC(?) Strategy
Poll at http://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1376855161 if you want to vote.
Is this an acceptable Non-SC Strategy? I wonder what people think. I TASed this at this years Kart 64 / Goldeneye Virginia meet and a majority of the folks I showed it to thought it should be classified non-shortcut strategy. By my interpretation of the shortcut definition for the Mario Kart 64 speedrunning community, this appears to be a non-shortcut strategy to me. It also happens to be over a second faster than racing this section with the standard strategy.
For reference, here is the official description of shortcut versus non-shortcut racing on http://www.mariokart64.com/mk64/faq.shtml :
What is a shortcut?
The principle of shortcuts actually started with the first kart (SMK). They were originally called tricks and were not distinguished from other times in SMK. At this MK64 site, we distinguish and separate non-SC and SC races and reserve the right to ask for proof. Anyhow, here it is guys.
- Jumping over ANY walls or fences. (LR, KD, TT, CM, MR, WS, DK, YV, RRo)
- Using the assistance of lakitu in any fashion. (TT, FS, RRa, DK, YV)
I would also like to answer the next logical question. What is legal in Non-Shortcut Racing?
- Cutting Grass or Sand either on flat ground or hills.
- Jumping unobstructed cracks or gaps.
- Using preprogrammed routes that were intended by the programmers such as KTBs tunnel.")
![[TAS] Mario Kart 64 - MMF GP SC, No Lakitu, No Pause Proof of Concept](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ezf5vDIsbgc/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] Mario Kart 64 - MMF GP SC, No Lakitu, No Pause Proof of Concept
Sharing this because Ive referred to it in a few chats. This was something Forest and I figured was possible but hadnt confirmed. I actually did this proof of concept back in August, about two months before we discovered pausing strats.
This works because Im only within the out-of-bounds area on one frame (yes the grass I touch is coded a out-of-bounds), a physics frame where Im on the ground. Its actually barely possible to do it, but it saves a lot of time (especially in one player) because you dont have to spend time getting stuck and put down by Lakitu or rapidly pausing.
Assuming good CPU timing at end of lap 1 or 2, this is faster for 3-lap. Though 2-player pausing would get faster in-game time than this. Its worth noting even the 5858 2-player pausing TAS (which was done pretty quickly and could definitely be improved) is faster than the old TAS in real-time.
Also, note that the real-time could be improved by sacrificing in-game time. This is possible because normally each pause takes 3 frames (start, release, start) but each pause can actually be done in two frames (pause without A held, press A). So, especially in situations where you have a mushroom active, you can either not hold A at all (other than to un-pause) or you tap A every other frame (during the other players pause). Thus, that would speed-up real-time by roughly 33%. One other thing to note, its possible to spend less time off road on the last shortcut in that 5858, I just basically didnt feel like doing it because its a pain (involves a bounce off the fence, past the bridge).")
![[TAS] CM Lap Skip Alternate Approach Testing; Bowser (~2.0X Potential)](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/fluKdi0P5RI/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] CM Lap Skip Alternate Approach Testing; Bowser (~2.0X Potential)
Acute angle Weathertenko strat.")
![[TAS] Mario Kart 64 - New Fastest Sharp Turn MT Strat (Jump MT)](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hFrOyAKNGmI/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] Mario Kart 64 - New Fastest Sharp Turn MT Strat (Jump MT)
Quick demonstration showing that its faster to jump once you release a mini-turbo when entering a sharp turn. I have the input visible on the top left of the screen.")
![[TAS] Mario Kart 64 - New GP Shortcut on Banshee Boardwalk](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hUcRonYeQwc/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] Mario Kart 64 - New GP Shortcut on Banshee Boardwalk
By going around the first corner, you can trick the game into thinking youre making forward progress even when jumping back towards the finish line. You just have to stay outside the course until you get past the finish line for the lap to count.")
![[TAS] Mario Kart 64 - Frappe Snowland SC 3-Lap 11.79 (2-Player GP)](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/haGgPUH93sI/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] Mario Kart 64 - Frappe Snowland SC 3-Lap 11.79 (2-Player GP)
This time abuses frame-perfect 2-player pausing. Details are explained in the video Bismuth, Forest and I collaborated on: https://youtu.be/-SuHSCkLD54")
