Monster | 【TAS】ムーンリッジ&ハイウェイ 新ショートカット @Monster3rum | Uploaded 1 year ago | Updated 1 hour ago
2周目に入る前に十分に横向きの勢いをつけ壁にぶつかり飛ぶことで、ゴールバーからの跳ねを利用してコースをショートカットすることができます。
Fast Lap(1周のタイムを競うカテゴリ)でしか使えませんが0.5秒ほど速いです。
周回判定はコースの大半を無視しているので、見た目はほとんど正規ルートを通っていますがウルトラショートカットに分類されます。
マリオカートWiiにおいてこれで合計26個のウルトラショートカットが発見されたことになりました。
ショートカットを見つけるにあたり協力してくれた方々：
Jellopuff: youtube.com/@jellopuff1530 (@Jellopuff_TAS )
Charlie: youtube.com/@CHARL1E (@CHARL1E )
Ejay; youtube.com/@EjayB (@EjayB )
ありがとうございました。
With enough sideways momentum given from Superhopping and Supergrinding, this shortcut becomes achievable.
The shortcut itself doesn't save much time, but we can start a Supergrind upon landing back to the track which saves around 0.4~0.6 seconds (this is what makes this shortcut faster).
For reference, the estimated Fast Lap time for No Ultra using 3 shrooms is around 30.650, so Ultra would be faster by 0.24.
Also, the shortcut is classified as an Ultra Shortcut (the 26th one discovered in Mario Kart Wii) because it skips the KeyCheckPoint 1.
I must thank the following people:
Jellopuff for providing the concept of using sideways momentum for distance, and for being the first to pull off the shortcut (youtube.com/watch?v=9wWi6zKdZAo ),
Charlie who gave me an idea using Outward Drifting Bike (youtu.be/9h4wZOBrgQE ),
and Ejay for his help on making the shortcut faster and his original idea on ODB wall clip.
Jellpuff: youtube.com/@jellopuff1530 (@Jellopuff_TAS )
Charlie: youtube.com/@CHARL1E (@CHARL1E )
Ejay: youtube.com/@EjayB (@EjayB )
2周目に入る前に十分に横向きの勢いをつけ壁にぶつかり飛ぶことで、ゴールバーからの跳ねを利用してコースをショートカットすることができます。
Fast Lap(1周のタイムを競うカテゴリ)でしか使えませんが0.5秒ほど速いです。
周回判定はコースの大半を無視しているので、見た目はほとんど正規ルートを通っていますがウルトラショートカットに分類されます。
マリオカートWiiにおいてこれで合計26個のウルトラショートカットが発見されたことになりました。
ショートカットを見つけるにあたり協力してくれた方々：
Jellopuff: youtube.com/@jellopuff1530 (@Jellopuff_TAS )
Charlie: youtube.com/@CHARL1E (@CHARL1E )
Ejay; youtube.com/@EjayB (@EjayB )
ありがとうございました。
With enough sideways momentum given from Superhopping and Supergrinding, this shortcut becomes achievable.
The shortcut itself doesn't save much time, but we can start a Supergrind upon landing back to the track which saves around 0.4~0.6 seconds (this is what makes this shortcut faster).
For reference, the estimated Fast Lap time for No Ultra using 3 shrooms is around 30.650, so Ultra would be faster by 0.24.
Also, the shortcut is classified as an Ultra Shortcut (the 26th one discovered in Mario Kart Wii) because it skips the KeyCheckPoint 1.
I must thank the following people:
Jellopuff for providing the concept of using sideways momentum for distance, and for being the first to pull off the shortcut (youtube.com/watch?v=9wWi6zKdZAo ),
Charlie who gave me an idea using Outward Drifting Bike (youtu.be/9h4wZOBrgQE ),
and Ejay for his help on making the shortcut faster and his original idea on ODB wall clip.
Jellpuff: youtube.com/@jellopuff1530 (@Jellopuff_TAS )
Charlie: youtube.com/@CHARL1E (@CHARL1E )
Ejay: youtube.com/@EjayB (@EjayB )
![[MKWii TAS] Warios Gold Mine - 29.641](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/pbmSpSjYkcw/hqdefault.jpg "[MKWii TAS] Warios Gold Mine - 29.641
Happy April Fools Day! Who ever thought that Wario would be the best character for this track?
TAS BKT Cut: 0.102s
Previous BKT: 29.743 by Marth, Ejay, Kierio, Luke and Monster
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqZV2LOtqFU
Thanks to Marth for his help as always!
Marths Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClkb9VBvCEq3SMxE9HKS2kA
Who did What on this TAS
Lap 1 and 2: Marth and Monster
Lap 3 up to ssmt release: Monster
Lap 3 last turn: Marth and Monster
Some explanations:
In the Glitch route on this track, there are two points in each lap where you have to completely slow down and then accelerate, and since this is a game, the timing of acceleration is determined by the frame, which is the smallest unit of input acceptance in the game, so improvements are necessarily frame-by-frame except for the last section on lap 3.
Wario has the highest turbo performance of all the heavyweight characters, giving him an advantage over Funky Kong in each section (Dry Bowsers turbo performance is the same as Warios, but his drift performance is inferior, giving him a disadvantage in the final curve on lap 3).
The time save is from the part between using a shroom and hitting the fence (1 frame per lap), the part between releasing the Stand Still Mini Turbo and using a shroom (1 frame per lap too), and the last turn on lap 3 (0.002 seconds), for a total 0.102 seconds improvement.")
![[MKWii TAS] GCN Waluigi Stadium - 49.779 (Obsoleted)](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uIuF7xQzIKY/hqdefault.jpg "[MKWii TAS] GCN Waluigi Stadium - 49.779 (Obsoleted)
This TAS has been beaten by KaiMK by 0.012 seconds.
Watch new TAS record here: https://youtu.be/u3nM4B2x970
TAS run by Marth and Monster
TAS BKT Cut: 0.755s
Previous BKT: 50.534 by Rocky (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ3CiYnpo2Q)
Thanks to Marth who found 2 frames of improvement on the last turn on lap3!
Marths channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClkb9VBvCEq3SMxE9HKS2kA
Now that we can use wii wheel inputs which allow for a wider input range than a gc controller or nunchuck for TASing (thanks to Stebler), I thought some tracks could be pushed to their theoretical limit limits even further, and this is one of them. The main benefit from the wider range of inputs is in the air, for this track especially during the setup for the horizontal wall glitch since I can tilt the stick full down and full left.
The time save mainly comes from further optimizations around the horizontal wall glitch with the wii wheel inputs (about 0.1 seconds per lap). And the new strat after the zipper glitch, where I do a wheelie to take a tight line instead of drifting and charging a mini-turbo, saves 2-3 frames. Also the ending hop may seem slow, but when the boost runs out the rate of deceleration is the same whether doing a wheelie or not so I can get the exact same time as if I kept doing a wheelie.
Music: The Midnight Carnival (remixed by Stone McKnuckle)
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v cxLHJJqtAk")
![[MKWii TAS] Daisy Circuit Fast Lap (No Ultra, Supersliding) - 20.675](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uwTk9l81CdQ/hqdefault.jpg "[MKWii TAS] Daisy Circuit Fast Lap (No Ultra, Supersliding) - 20.675
TAS run by Alego11, César, clem, Ejay B, Marth, and Monster
Timecut: 2.589 seconds
Previous Fast Lap record by Ejay B, Justin, Marth and Monster: 23.264 (https://youtu.be/-NZ1OfaR2pk?t=46)
TAS Authors Channel
Alego11: https://www.youtube.com/@Alego11-TAS
César: https://www.youtube.com/@Dark_8dx
clem: https://www.youtube.com/@ciwwi
Ejay B: https://www.youtube.com/@EjayB
Marth: https://www.youtube.com/@MarthTAS
This run is performed with a technique called Supersliding.
That is, once you get in the floor with a specific vehicle, you can build up your speed in sideways direction by just tapping the stick repeatedly.
About the run:
-After entering the floor, I put some cones on the line where I would take with Supersliding in the actual lap so that I could be pushed and given a boost from them for 1 frame.
-What gives me height during the last u-turn skip is external velocity for upward I receive when ejecting from the up-sloped floor, and clipping off the invisible wall for several times.
-I did everything until the u-turn shortcut, and Alego11, César, clem, Ejay B, and Marth contributed between the shortcut and the finish line. The skip idea was originally brought up by Marth.
MKWii TAS Website: https://mkwtas.com/
MKWii TAS Discord: https://discord.gg/EPD9yCu
Music: Kirbys Return to Dream Land - Grape Garden (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0lxRKJCII0 )
#MarioKartWii #マリオカートWii #TAS")
![[MKWii TAS] Daisy Circuit Flap - 27.453 (Supergrinding) by Akari and Monster](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/v2hjZ9AmcP0/hqdefault.jpg "[MKWii TAS] Daisy Circuit Flap - 27.453 (Supergrinding) by Akari and Monster
I found a supergrinding spot and Akari improved the sg.
0.171 cut from no supergrinding flap run.
Akaris channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5Mam86LKrjOMSCIfGG-ngQ
Releasing the drift during the ramp is faster because of side trick abusing.
Music: https://youtu.be/us96hvhTXhk")
![[Obsoleted] [MKWii TAS] SNES Mario Circuit 3 (Superhopping) - 1:16.208](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/vq9I7yamW-s/hqdefault.jpg "[Obsoleted] [MKWii TAS] SNES Mario Circuit 3 (Superhopping) - 1:16.208
This run was beaten by Aoiro by 0.721 seconds.
Watch the current TAS record here: https://youtu.be/PUZcc-vEp_8
1.167 seconds timecut from former fastest TAS record by Akari and Marth (https://youtu.be/5V25EyF8f6M).
TAS run by myself.
Done on Dolphin 5.0 LuaCore with Savestates, TAS Input, LuaScripts and Text Files.
Now the previous record is categorized as No Glitch No Shortcut, which is a different category from this one, but it is still interesting to see where Superhopping gains / loses time over the normal strats through a ghost comparison I guess?
Special thanks to Marth whose trial run inspired me to try to make SHing faster on this track.
His YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@MarthTAS
XZSped (XZ Speed) on the bottom left shows my moving speed for horizontal axis,
InVel (Internal Velocity) on the bottom right shows my vehicle speed,
and ExVel (External Velocity) shows how much momentum I have for horizontal axis.
Some things about the run
- This time I use Zip Zip because of its high dirt performance (#3 among all vehicles) and Daisy because of her speed and mini-turbo bonus.
- I had to take a shroom cut in a weird way, this is because Zip Zip doesnt seem to be able to make the u-turn properly by just drifting. Unexpectedly I didnt lose much time on the shortcut, since SHing can be done before the corner and it changes to a better angle for the u-turn.
-SHing in dirt does not mean that momentum (External Velocity) is decreasing, just that the vehicle speed is lower than usual, as can be seen from the ExVel in the lower right corner.
- In this run, I often use ±2 inputs on the outside during SHing, this is because it allows me to take a turn tighter and store sideways momentum more than ±7 inputs.
Hows Superhopping working?
When you do a spin hop, you receive a bit of sideways momentum on the outside, but it is usually run out just after landing. And with Outside Drifting Bikes (ODBs), by drifting after landing, you can store the sideways momentum you have right before landing to the ground. So by repeating a spin hop and drift on landing with ODBs, you can get a lot of speed.
Music: Ys VI - Mighty Obstacle (Arranged by S.S.H.)
(https://youtu.be/1i-zyT9VwQc)
[日本語/Japanese]
前最速記録より1.167秒更新。
前最速記録 (この記録とは別のカテゴリ): 1:17.375 by Akari and Marth (https://youtu.be/5V25EyF8f6M )
制作: Monster
制作期間: 試走含めて7日くらい
先日このコースでもSuperhoppingが速いことが分かったので作ってみました。
とりあえず前記録からは1秒更新できたので満足です。
左下のXZSpd (XZ Speed)が、実際に水平方向に出ている速度、
右下のInVel (Internal Velocity)が車速、
ExVel (External Velocity)が水平方向に付いてる勢いを表しています。
InVelとExVelを足したものがXZSpdだと思ってもらえれば大丈夫です。
補足とか
・ポロネーズを選んでるのはダート性能が高いため(全車体中3位・ドリバイだと1位)、デイジーはスピード値・ターボ値が高いため。ダート性能は車体だけで十分なので、キャラは車速が高いのを優先したほうが良い。
・ポロネーズはドリフト性能が悪いので、ショトカは無理やりダートをSuperhopping(以下SH)で進み、向きをできるだけ右に調整してから遅らせてキノコを使ってインを通る。ゴーストとの差を見ると意外とタイムは変わらない。
・ダート中のSHは、右下のExVel(External Velocity)を見れば分かるように、車速が普段より低くなるだけで勢いが減る訳ではない。ドリフトは車速がだいたい44未満になると出なくなるのでその調整は必要。ダート中はカウンターホップ(アウト入力全開のミニジャンプ)をするとだいぶ勢いが減るので、ラインが制限される分 使える場所は限られてきそう。
Superhoppingについてより詳しい補足(TASさん向け？)
・SH中 着地時とミニジャンプを押すフレームでアウトに2をスティック入力をすると、アウトに7(最大)を入力した場合よりも角度をつけて曲がれ、かつより勢いを保持できる。
・0:19や0:28のようにドリフトを途中で切って角度をつけて曲がりたい場合、ドリフトは7fの間入力するが一番曲がれた。これは車体によって異なるかも。
・直進中(長い直線を進むとき等)は、
スピンホップの場合：着地時アウトに2~7、ミニジャンプ時アウトに2、イン入力が1
カウンターホップの場合：着地時アウトに2~7、ミニジャンプ時～着地までアウトに2
が最速になる。
・ミニジャンプ中に下入力をすると、より曲がれてより効率よく加速できた。
上下入力のどちらが適切かは車体、地面の形状によって異なる。
Music: Ys VI - Mighty Obstacle (Arranged by S.S.H.)
(https://youtu.be/1i-zyT9VwQc)
#MarioKartWii #マリオカートWii #TAS")
