Uploaded March 2022 | Updated September 2026, 3 weeks ago
One of the famous theories from book readers is that Jeyne Westerling was one of the spies for the Lannisters, or was it her mother the actual spy? I'm not sure. She was changed, however, as Talisa Maegyr in the show, but there were still hidden clues or, inadvertently, key pieces for the theory to be real.
Arya spying Tywin was somewhat a mirror to Talisa spying Robb. The writers may have changed this subplot, but it's still cool to see the parallels. The specifics here are that Talisa was once a Lannister spy, but later fell in love. Early on, she wrote and gave them info like troop movements, nothing more. Of course Talisa stopped after they had bonded and got married.
Nobody knew she was part of the Lannisters' intel, except maybe Tywin. As soon as he discovered Robb got married, he orchestrated the most gruesome massacre in the Seven Kingdoms. Talisa had no idea she would be murdered, as Walder and Roose didn't know about her, and Tywin's plan was to eliminate every Stark and army on that wedding. The killing of her baby (and herself) was definitely the Freys doing, as they didn't want any heir or rightful successor for King Robb.
As for Roose Bolton, he already despised Robb's plans and thought the Lannisters, with the Frey's backing and Karstark's mutiny, would win this war. He was probably the last guy to join the alliance. But once the Boltons re-captured Jaime, that was maybe the right opportunity to side with the enemy. The finishing blow to Robb as Roose uttered, "The Lannisters send their regards," was a perfect and evil sendoff knowing Jaime had requested this earlier. There's an interesting take regarding Jaime knowing the Red Wedding all along, but that's for another video.
Whether that entire theory be true or not, it was tragic to see the complete journey of Robb and how he f*cked it up and lost the war. I've tried to find all the clues of the Red Wedding, but it's hard to gather every clip with the highest quality, so these scenes were all I could stitch together. Also, I may have started a wrong interpretation about the "first seed" of Tywin's plan on how to defeat Robb Stark. It was his interaction with Arya that planted the idea, but it's merely a silly theory of mine. "Anyone can be killed" is the line, in case you missed it or have no idea what I'm talking about.
Nevertheless, the scene with Robb and Jaime on Season 2, Episode 1 ("The North Remembers"), is one of my favorites in Game of Thrones, and perhaps my absolute favorite season premiere. The dialogue and interaction here was riveting, impressive back-and-forth, and then culminated it with a jaw-dropping and first appearance of Grey Wind as a grown dire-wolf.
[My original description from the old video]
If the sound is not in sync, then I blame my headphones. It sounded right while editing it.
The character of Talisa was a show-invention only, not very similar to the book counterpart. It's widely known or theorized in the books (according to book-readers) that Jeyne Westerling was a Lannister spy... But what if Talisa was indeed a spy that accidentally fell in love with Robb Stark. Her non-existent accent was one of the many peculiar things about her, as well as the constant butting in or trying to catch Robb's attention.
So when Roose Bolton and Walder Frey betrayed the Starks with the support and backing of Lannisters, they had no idea about this mysterious foreign beauty (only Tywin and his council). Yeah, it doesn't matter at the end, but it's still fun theorizing all the motivations of the characters, especially the minor/supporting ones. #gameofthrones
One of the famous theories from book readers is that Jeyne Westerling was one of the spies for the Lannisters, or was it her mother the actual spy? I'm not sure. She was changed, however, as Talisa Maegyr in the show, but there were still hidden clues or, inadvertently, key pieces for the theory to be real.
Arya spying Tywin was somewhat a mirror to Talisa spying Robb. The writers may have changed this subplot, but it's still cool to see the parallels. The specifics here are that Talisa was once a Lannister spy, but later fell in love. Early on, she wrote and gave them info like troop movements, nothing more. Of course Talisa stopped after they had bonded and got married.
Nobody knew she was part of the Lannisters' intel, except maybe Tywin. As soon as he discovered Robb got married, he orchestrated the most gruesome massacre in the Seven Kingdoms. Talisa had no idea she would be murdered, as Walder and Roose didn't know about her, and Tywin's plan was to eliminate every Stark and army on that wedding. The killing of her baby (and herself) was definitely the Freys doing, as they didn't want any heir or rightful successor for King Robb.
As for Roose Bolton, he already despised Robb's plans and thought the Lannisters, with the Frey's backing and Karstark's mutiny, would win this war. He was probably the last guy to join the alliance. But once the Boltons re-captured Jaime, that was maybe the right opportunity to side with the enemy. The finishing blow to Robb as Roose uttered, "The Lannisters send their regards," was a perfect and evil sendoff knowing Jaime had requested this earlier. There's an interesting take regarding Jaime knowing the Red Wedding all along, but that's for another video.
Whether that entire theory be true or not, it was tragic to see the complete journey of Robb and how he f*cked it up and lost the war. I've tried to find all the clues of the Red Wedding, but it's hard to gather every clip with the highest quality, so these scenes were all I could stitch together. Also, I may have started a wrong interpretation about the "first seed" of Tywin's plan on how to defeat Robb Stark. It was his interaction with Arya that planted the idea, but it's merely a silly theory of mine. "Anyone can be killed" is the line, in case you missed it or have no idea what I'm talking about.
Nevertheless, the scene with Robb and Jaime on Season 2, Episode 1 ("The North Remembers"), is one of my favorites in Game of Thrones, and perhaps my absolute favorite season premiere. The dialogue and interaction here was riveting, impressive back-and-forth, and then culminated it with a jaw-dropping and first appearance of Grey Wind as a grown dire-wolf.
[My original description from the old video]
If the sound is not in sync, then I blame my headphones. It sounded right while editing it.
The character of Talisa was a show-invention only, not very similar to the book counterpart. It's widely known or theorized in the books (according to book-readers) that Jeyne Westerling was a Lannister spy... But what if Talisa was indeed a spy that accidentally fell in love with Robb Stark. Her non-existent accent was one of the many peculiar things about her, as well as the constant butting in or trying to catch Robb's attention.
So when Roose Bolton and Walder Frey betrayed the Starks with the support and backing of Lannisters, they had no idea about this mysterious foreign beauty (only Tywin and his council). Yeah, it doesn't matter at the end, but it's still fun theorizing all the motivations of the characters, especially the minor/supporting ones. #gameofthrones
