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Sunder Katwala is the Director of the think tank, British Future. who have worked on issues such as immigration and identity. He was formerly General Secretary of the Fabian Society, and before that, he was a journalist and a leader writer for The Observer.

Sunder spoke about growing up Irish Catholic, why he's broadly optimistic about the trajectory around race and identity in the UK, and why football is so central to who he is.

You can buy Sunder's book How to be a Patriot here: amazon.co.uk/How-Patriot-country-British-culture/dp/0008553866#:~:text=Book%20overview&text=How%20to%20be%20a%20Patriot%20offers%20a%20new%20way%20of,some%20questions%20to%20work%20through.

Read the full transcript here: theosthinktank.co.uk/comment/2024/03/20/sunder-katwala-on-race-identity-and-reimagining-patriotism

CHAPTERS

0:00 - Intro
1:33 - What is Sacred to you? Sunder Katwala answers
4:18 - Naivety and treating people in good faith
5:35 - Growing up Indian/Irish Catholic, religion & scepticism
13:28 - Getting into politics
15:12 - Football, identity and racial politics
22:13 - Diversity and going to Oxford University
24:13 - Each generation has higher expectations for equality
27:56 - Fast and slow changes in equality
33:55 - Contact theory & the privilege of exposure to names, faces and stories
41:52 - 'British Futures', divisive issues & the role of think tanks
44:58 - How to find common ground on the most tense issues?
47:21 - Can patriotism feel less exclusive?
52:34 - Reflections from Elizabeth

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