Uploaded July 2026 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago
Equal protection for the preborn has become one of the biggest and most divisive debates in the pro-life movement. Everyone agrees abortion ends the life of an innocent human being. Everyone wants to see abortion end. The disagreement is over how Christians should get there.
In this episode, Alisa sits down with pro-life apologist Scott Klusendorf for a thoughtful and friendly debate about whether pursuing equal protection legislation right now is the best path forward.
Scott argues that while equal protection is the right destination, pushing for it today could actually undermine the pro-life movement and cost lives. Alisa, who supports equal protection, challenges his position while seeking to understand the strongest case against it.
Topics include:
What equal protection actually means
Incrementalism vs. abolition
Should women ever be prosecuted for abortion?
Lessons from William Wilberforce and the abolition of slavery
Why worldview—not just politics—is at the heart of the abortion debate
Whether pursuing equal protection now is wise or premature
Next week, Ginna Cross joins the podcast to make the case for equal protection and explain why she believes it is the only consistent application of justice for the unborn.
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Equal protection for the preborn has become one of the biggest and most divisive debates in the pro-life movement. Everyone agrees abortion ends the life of an innocent human being. Everyone wants to see abortion end. The disagreement is over how Christians should get there.
In this episode, Alisa sits down with pro-life apologist Scott Klusendorf for a thoughtful and friendly debate about whether pursuing equal protection legislation right now is the best path forward.
Scott argues that while equal protection is the right destination, pushing for it today could actually undermine the pro-life movement and cost lives. Alisa, who supports equal protection, challenges his position while seeking to understand the strongest case against it.
Topics include:
What equal protection actually means
Incrementalism vs. abolition
Should women ever be prosecuted for abortion?
Lessons from William Wilberforce and the abolition of slavery
Why worldview—not just politics—is at the heart of the abortion debate
Whether pursuing equal protection now is wise or premature
Next week, Ginna Cross joins the podcast to make the case for equal protection and explain why she believes it is the only consistent application of justice for the unborn.
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This video is sponsored by:
BRAVE BOOKS
Entertainment that Engages the Imagination for Good.
Go to bravebooks.com/childers for more information
Use my code: CHILDERS
RANGE LEATHER
American-Made Craftsmanship from Wyoming
Go to rangeleather.com for more information
Use my code: ALISA
A'DEL NATURAL COSMETICS
Elevate your skincare routine with A'del's toxin-free cosmetics.
Experience the difference in quality and purity.
Go to adelnaturalcosmetics.com for more information.
Use my code: ALISA
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To help in your study of the Bible: logos.com/alisa
To Purchase the new CD, “Beauty from the Ash”, go to alisachilders.com/music
There you can get the CD, backing tracks, string charts, rhythm charts and stems.
Support us on Patreon: patreon.com/alisachilders
To order “Another Gospel”: alisachilders.com/another-gospel
To order “Live Your Truth": alisachilders.com/live-your-truth-and-other-lies
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