thegreatstory | Shaun Chamberlin (2 of 2): Post-doom with Michael Dowd @thegreatstory | Uploaded August 2019 | Updated October 2024, 1 hour ago.
The final half of a post-doom conversation between Shaun Chamberlin and host Michael Dowd, recorded August 2019. Overall theme is "What story do you want your life to tell?" Access part 1 here: youtu.be/MR0C8h7go40 • Linked timecodes by topic:
00:07 What story do you want your life to tell?
00:22 Dowd (MD): "Post-doom conversation series" emphasis on personal journey
01:20 Chamberlin (SC): his trust in the story of progress began to falter in 2000
02:53 SC: Wakeup was article by Campbell and Laherrere, "The End of Cheap Oil"
04:08 SC: Initially he was skeptical; but instead of avoidance he chose to investigate
04:34 SC: Post-university he had a fulfilling social work job; then needed a change
05:18 SC: What to do next? First step "learn to live cheaply" so have more time
05:58 SC: Lists some of his early readings: Richard Heinberg, Derrick Jensen
06:15 SC: Enrolled in Schumacher College course, where met David Fleming
09:29 SC: Continues story of assisting Fleming, leading to focus on "conversation"
10:54 SC: Fleming's mentorship of Chamberlin lasted till 2010, Fleming's death
11:17 SC: Finding a peer group is like "finding an oasis in the desert"
12:54 MD: Did Shaun find "green history" and evolutionary epic important?
14:40 SC: Tao te Ching teaches the centrality of paradox in finding wisdom
16:00 SC: Embracing the paradox of ecological v. spiritual origins of humankind
16:57 SC: Reads aloud the Genesis section of Lean Logic entry on Ecology
22:40 SC: Why did this flawed culture evolve? Why did we move into agriculture?
22:56 SC: Shaun speaks "wetiko" but the text overlay is mistakenly "wendigo"
23:06 SC/MD: Paul Shepard and Dolores LaChapelle address above questions
25:09 MD: Q - Do you have any "if only's" regarding humanity's wrong turn?
25:48 SC: Spinoza's take on freewill v. determinism; 'if only' is not your friend
27:33 MD: "Beliefs are not for mapping reality but for molding behavior."
28:23 SC: Narratives for making sense of the world; a diversity of stories is good
30:37 MD: Importance of John Michael Greer's books and blogposts
31:24 MD: Q - How do you hold impermanence and death and does that help?
32:18 SC: Recites from David Fleming's Lean Logic the entry on "Death"
35:44 MD: Quotes Loyal Rue: "Death is the entrance fee paid on exiting."
36:19 SC: "I discovered that manuscript entry whilst coming to terms w David's death."
37:50 SC: Story about Jonathon Porritt (who wrote the Foreword to Lean Logic)
38:19 SC: Similarities of grieving death at personal, societal, and ecological levels
39:13 SC: Meaning of life: to tell a story with your life that you are proud to tell
39:37 SC: Honesty and joy are amazing guides; "grief is actually the pathway to joy"
40:26 MD: Asks for final remarks re "dark optimism" and finding the gift post-doom
41:22 SC: Adopting a wider sense of self; pain of knowing but not acting; then joy
45:01 MD: Closure - I promise to hug a big redwood for you today (in Eureka Calif)
45:22 SC: Closure - (delight and appreciation)
48:04 MD: photo of Dowd hugging a redwood and photos from previous forest walks
Shaun's website: darkoptimism.org
The global 'Surviving the Future' community he facilitates online: https://www.ce.sterlingcollege.edu/surviving-the-future
Gift-economy pub 'The Happy Pig', his home in Ireland: https://mstdn.social/@DarkOptimism/109410285273214948
Free access to David Fleming's book, Lean Logic, in custom fan-built web format: https://leanlogic.online
The final half of a post-doom conversation between Shaun Chamberlin and host Michael Dowd, recorded August 2019. Overall theme is "What story do you want your life to tell?" Access part 1 here: youtu.be/MR0C8h7go40 • Linked timecodes by topic:
00:07 What story do you want your life to tell?
00:22 Dowd (MD): "Post-doom conversation series" emphasis on personal journey
01:20 Chamberlin (SC): his trust in the story of progress began to falter in 2000
02:53 SC: Wakeup was article by Campbell and Laherrere, "The End of Cheap Oil"
04:08 SC: Initially he was skeptical; but instead of avoidance he chose to investigate
04:34 SC: Post-university he had a fulfilling social work job; then needed a change
05:18 SC: What to do next? First step "learn to live cheaply" so have more time
05:58 SC: Lists some of his early readings: Richard Heinberg, Derrick Jensen
06:15 SC: Enrolled in Schumacher College course, where met David Fleming
09:29 SC: Continues story of assisting Fleming, leading to focus on "conversation"
10:54 SC: Fleming's mentorship of Chamberlin lasted till 2010, Fleming's death
11:17 SC: Finding a peer group is like "finding an oasis in the desert"
12:54 MD: Did Shaun find "green history" and evolutionary epic important?
14:40 SC: Tao te Ching teaches the centrality of paradox in finding wisdom
16:00 SC: Embracing the paradox of ecological v. spiritual origins of humankind
16:57 SC: Reads aloud the Genesis section of Lean Logic entry on Ecology
22:40 SC: Why did this flawed culture evolve? Why did we move into agriculture?
22:56 SC: Shaun speaks "wetiko" but the text overlay is mistakenly "wendigo"
23:06 SC/MD: Paul Shepard and Dolores LaChapelle address above questions
25:09 MD: Q - Do you have any "if only's" regarding humanity's wrong turn?
25:48 SC: Spinoza's take on freewill v. determinism; 'if only' is not your friend
27:33 MD: "Beliefs are not for mapping reality but for molding behavior."
28:23 SC: Narratives for making sense of the world; a diversity of stories is good
30:37 MD: Importance of John Michael Greer's books and blogposts
31:24 MD: Q - How do you hold impermanence and death and does that help?
32:18 SC: Recites from David Fleming's Lean Logic the entry on "Death"
35:44 MD: Quotes Loyal Rue: "Death is the entrance fee paid on exiting."
36:19 SC: "I discovered that manuscript entry whilst coming to terms w David's death."
37:50 SC: Story about Jonathon Porritt (who wrote the Foreword to Lean Logic)
38:19 SC: Similarities of grieving death at personal, societal, and ecological levels
39:13 SC: Meaning of life: to tell a story with your life that you are proud to tell
39:37 SC: Honesty and joy are amazing guides; "grief is actually the pathway to joy"
40:26 MD: Asks for final remarks re "dark optimism" and finding the gift post-doom
41:22 SC: Adopting a wider sense of self; pain of knowing but not acting; then joy
45:01 MD: Closure - I promise to hug a big redwood for you today (in Eureka Calif)
45:22 SC: Closure - (delight and appreciation)
48:04 MD: photo of Dowd hugging a redwood and photos from previous forest walks
Shaun's website: darkoptimism.org
The global 'Surviving the Future' community he facilitates online: https://www.ce.sterlingcollege.edu/surviving-the-future
Gift-economy pub 'The Happy Pig', his home in Ireland: https://mstdn.social/@DarkOptimism/109410285273214948
Free access to David Fleming's book, Lean Logic, in custom fan-built web format: https://leanlogic.online
