thegreatstory | Shaun Chamberlin (1 of 2): Post-doom with Michael Dowd @thegreatstory | Uploaded August 2019 | Updated October 2024, 1 hour ago.
Post-doom conversation between Shaun Chamberlin and host Michael Dowd, recorded August 2019. Each of the 2 parts of this conversation is 45 minutes long,. Overall theme is "What story do you want your life to tell?" Linked timecodes of topics:
00:09 What story do you want your life to tell?
00:18 Preview 1: Grief
01:00 Preview 2: Living in a dying world
02:46 Preview 3: Find a Peer Group
03:43 Dowd (MD) summarizes Shaun's key contributions
04:18 Chamberlin (SC) adds to summary of his biography (incl Extinction Rebellion arrest)
05:37 SC: Shaun's August 2019 blogpost: "Humanity: Not Just a Virus with Shoes"
07:14 SC: "Make hope possible, rather than despair convincing," says Ray Williams
07:45 SC: Schism between those who focus on determinism v. choice (cultural evolution)
08:22 MD: Importance of bridging seemingly divergent perspectives
08:54 SC: 2013 blogpost - "The secret truth behind environmentalists' favorite argument"
10:33 SC: Dark Mountain Project "creates a space where we can ask those questions"
10:48 MD: Hope is not neutral; some hopes are "overshoot-prone" and thus "anti-future"
11:50 MD: Importance of ecocentric books by Edward Goldsmith and William Catton
14:37 SC: Evolution is not human-centric; implications for where to ground "hope"
17:01 SC: Grief. "It hurts to let go of the stories we've been told.... The space between stories is one of the most awkward and painful places, because you don't have anything to make sense of life with."
17:30 SC: Personal story of emotional turmoil from two near-simultaneous deaths
20:10 SC: David Fleming's death led to SC editing his works into published books
21:33 SC: Personal and existential grief can lead to healthy forms of post-doom hope
22:57 SC: "When I could actually accept, 'Okay, I don't think I can change this; we're headed into the collapse scenario,' once you step beyond that threshold and accept that, a huge amount of energy is liberated. The hope beyond hope is actually stronger than the original hope because it's no longer really attached to outcomes. It's just about telling a story with our lives that we're proud to tell — in the context that we find ourselves."
25:40 SC: Resilient motivation; overcoming burnout; joy becoming one's guide to action
27:02 MD: Generations born into story of progress now need post-doom guidance/emotions
27:59 MD: Sense of doom is emotional midpoint between avoidance and returning to joy
28:28 MD: Paul Chefurka: "Finding the gift" beyond despair and mere acceptance
29:17 MD: Terminology - apocaloptimism, post-doom, civilizational reboot, Homo colossus
30:18 SC: Terms preferred: "dark optimism" (title of his blog) + David Fleming's "climacteric"
30:51 SC: James Howard Kunstler's term of the great global "clusterfuck" (dark humor)
31:04 SC: Interpretations matter as in "choosing to be alive at this time"; joy as guide
32:12 SC: After despair, coming back to life is through the stages of grief
33:08 SC: "We can still tell beautiful stories with our lives."
33:34 SC: Dark optimism is acknowledging the darkness yet living fully, meaningfully
34:06 SC: The apocalypse is ongoing for most peoples of the world; shrinking affluence
35:23 SC: Horror of species extinctions: "the death of birth"
35:44 MD: recommends "The Dark Mountain Manifesto" Paul Kingsnorth, Dougald Hine
36:17 MD: Crucial what stories we tell with our lives and our chosen narratives of reality
36:31 MD: Reframing the Christian story; e.g., the Fall as "violating grace limits"
37:09 MD: Indigenous wisdom in making the future one's guiding principle
37:31 MD: Reinterpret the Trinity, deify Time: Creator=Past, Christ=Future, Spirit=Present
38:06 SC: Environmentalism shortcoming is can be too preachy; guilt and self-sacrifice
39:42 SC: His personal story of choosing whether and when to use airline travel
41:44 MD: Importance of having a larger sense of self in time and space
42:28 MD: Recites a Joanna Macy quote re importance of a larger sense of self
43:29 MD: "Pro-future" is good, godly; labelling anti-future as "evil" is appropriate too
44:04 MD: Arne Naess - responsibility is a treacherous basis for conservation; need love
44:27 MD: This "post-doom conversation series" emphasizes one's personal journey.
CONTINUE TO PART 2 for Shaun Chamberlin's story of his personal journey.
youtu.be/njglhRhGgKc
Shaun's website: darkoptimism.org
The global 'Surviving the Future' community he facilitates online: https://www.ce.sterlingcollege.edu/surviving-the-future
Gift-economy pub 'The Happy Pig', his home in Ireland: https://mstdn.social/@DarkOptimism/109410285273214948
Free access to David Fleming's book, Lean Logic, in custom fan-built web format: https://leanlogic.online
Post-doom conversation between Shaun Chamberlin and host Michael Dowd, recorded August 2019. Each of the 2 parts of this conversation is 45 minutes long,. Overall theme is "What story do you want your life to tell?" Linked timecodes of topics:
00:09 What story do you want your life to tell?
00:18 Preview 1: Grief
01:00 Preview 2: Living in a dying world
02:46 Preview 3: Find a Peer Group
03:43 Dowd (MD) summarizes Shaun's key contributions
04:18 Chamberlin (SC) adds to summary of his biography (incl Extinction Rebellion arrest)
05:37 SC: Shaun's August 2019 blogpost: "Humanity: Not Just a Virus with Shoes"
07:14 SC: "Make hope possible, rather than despair convincing," says Ray Williams
07:45 SC: Schism between those who focus on determinism v. choice (cultural evolution)
08:22 MD: Importance of bridging seemingly divergent perspectives
08:54 SC: 2013 blogpost - "The secret truth behind environmentalists' favorite argument"
10:33 SC: Dark Mountain Project "creates a space where we can ask those questions"
10:48 MD: Hope is not neutral; some hopes are "overshoot-prone" and thus "anti-future"
11:50 MD: Importance of ecocentric books by Edward Goldsmith and William Catton
14:37 SC: Evolution is not human-centric; implications for where to ground "hope"
17:01 SC: Grief. "It hurts to let go of the stories we've been told.... The space between stories is one of the most awkward and painful places, because you don't have anything to make sense of life with."
17:30 SC: Personal story of emotional turmoil from two near-simultaneous deaths
20:10 SC: David Fleming's death led to SC editing his works into published books
21:33 SC: Personal and existential grief can lead to healthy forms of post-doom hope
22:57 SC: "When I could actually accept, 'Okay, I don't think I can change this; we're headed into the collapse scenario,' once you step beyond that threshold and accept that, a huge amount of energy is liberated. The hope beyond hope is actually stronger than the original hope because it's no longer really attached to outcomes. It's just about telling a story with our lives that we're proud to tell — in the context that we find ourselves."
25:40 SC: Resilient motivation; overcoming burnout; joy becoming one's guide to action
27:02 MD: Generations born into story of progress now need post-doom guidance/emotions
27:59 MD: Sense of doom is emotional midpoint between avoidance and returning to joy
28:28 MD: Paul Chefurka: "Finding the gift" beyond despair and mere acceptance
29:17 MD: Terminology - apocaloptimism, post-doom, civilizational reboot, Homo colossus
30:18 SC: Terms preferred: "dark optimism" (title of his blog) + David Fleming's "climacteric"
30:51 SC: James Howard Kunstler's term of the great global "clusterfuck" (dark humor)
31:04 SC: Interpretations matter as in "choosing to be alive at this time"; joy as guide
32:12 SC: After despair, coming back to life is through the stages of grief
33:08 SC: "We can still tell beautiful stories with our lives."
33:34 SC: Dark optimism is acknowledging the darkness yet living fully, meaningfully
34:06 SC: The apocalypse is ongoing for most peoples of the world; shrinking affluence
35:23 SC: Horror of species extinctions: "the death of birth"
35:44 MD: recommends "The Dark Mountain Manifesto" Paul Kingsnorth, Dougald Hine
36:17 MD: Crucial what stories we tell with our lives and our chosen narratives of reality
36:31 MD: Reframing the Christian story; e.g., the Fall as "violating grace limits"
37:09 MD: Indigenous wisdom in making the future one's guiding principle
37:31 MD: Reinterpret the Trinity, deify Time: Creator=Past, Christ=Future, Spirit=Present
38:06 SC: Environmentalism shortcoming is can be too preachy; guilt and self-sacrifice
39:42 SC: His personal story of choosing whether and when to use airline travel
41:44 MD: Importance of having a larger sense of self in time and space
42:28 MD: Recites a Joanna Macy quote re importance of a larger sense of self
43:29 MD: "Pro-future" is good, godly; labelling anti-future as "evil" is appropriate too
44:04 MD: Arne Naess - responsibility is a treacherous basis for conservation; need love
44:27 MD: This "post-doom conversation series" emphasizes one's personal journey.
CONTINUE TO PART 2 for Shaun Chamberlin's story of his personal journey.
youtu.be/njglhRhGgKc
Shaun's website: darkoptimism.org
The global 'Surviving the Future' community he facilitates online: https://www.ce.sterlingcollege.edu/surviving-the-future
Gift-economy pub 'The Happy Pig', his home in Ireland: https://mstdn.social/@DarkOptimism/109410285273214948
Free access to David Fleming's book, Lean Logic, in custom fan-built web format: https://leanlogic.online
