Uploaded May 2026 | Updated September 2026, 1 week ago
In this episode, Liz Ann Sonders and Collin Martin explore how rising Treasury yields and persistent inflation pressures are reshaping the relationship between stocks and bonds, reviving a more volatile, “temperamental” market regime where higher yields can weigh on equities. They discuss the likelihood of a “higher for longer” rate environment, the challenges facing incoming Fed leadership, and why rate cuts appear increasingly unlikely in the near term.
The conversation then shifts to municipal bonds with Cooper Howard, who explains how munis work, why their tax advantages make them especially attractive for higher-income investors, and how to evaluate them relative to Treasuries and corporate bonds. He highlights that while munis are generally high quality and relatively stable, investors should still pay attention to credit risk, valuation metrics like the muni-to-Treasury ratio, and strategy considerations such as bond ladders.
Finally, Collin and Liz Ann look ahead to next week’s upcoming macroeconomic indicators and key data releases.
On Investing is an original podcast from Charles Schwab (https://schwab.com) . For more on the show, visit schwab.com/OnInvesting (schwab.com/OnInvesting) .
If you enjoy the show, please leave a rating or review on Apple Podcasts (http://getpodcast.reviews/id/1711806955) .
Important Disclosures
This material is intended for general informational and educational purposes only. This should not be considered an individualized recommendation or personalized investment advice. The securities, investment products and investment strategies mentioned are not suitable for everyone. Each investor needs to review an investment strategy for his or her own particular situation before making any investment decisions.
All expressions of opinion are subject to change without notice in reaction to shifting market, economic or political conditions. Data contained herein from third party providers is obtained from what are considered reliable sources. However, its accuracy, completeness or reliability cannot be guaranteed.
Past performance is no guarantee of future results.
Investing involves risk, including loss of principal.
Performance may be affected by risks associated with non-diversification, including investments in specific countries or sectors. Additional risks may also include, but are not limited to, investments in foreign securities, especially emerging markets, real estate investment trusts (REITs), fixed income, municipal securities including state specific municipal securities, small capitalization securities and commodities. Each individual investor should consider these risks carefully before investing in a particular security or strategy.
Fixed income securities are subject to increased loss of principal during periods of rising interest rates. Fixed income investments are subject to various other risks including changes in credit quality, market valuations, liquidity, prepayments, early redemption, corporate events, tax ramifications, and other factors. Lower rated securities are subject to greater credit risk, default risk, and liquidity risk.
Tax-exempt bonds are not necessarily a suitable investment for all persons. Information related to a security's tax-exempt status (federal and in-state) is obtained from third parties, and Charles Schwab Investment Management, Inc., dba Schwab Asset Management does not guarantee its accuracy. Tax-exempt income may be subject to the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT). Capital appreciation from bond funds and discounted bonds may be subject to state or local taxes. Capital gains are not exempt from federal income tax.
A bond ladder, depending on the types and amount of securities within the ladder, may not ensure adequate diversification of your investment portfolio. This potential lack of diversification may result in heightened volatility of the value of your portfolio. As compared to other fixed income products and strategies, engaging in a bond ladder strategy may potentially result in future reinvestment at lower interest rates and may necessitate higher minimum investments to maintain cost-effectiveness. Evaluate whether a bond ladder and the securities held within it are consistent with your investment objective, risk tolerance and financial circumstances.
Money market funds are neither insured nor guaranteed by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation or any other government agency. Although the fund seeks to preserve the value of an investment at $1.00 per share, it is possible to lose money by investing in the fund.
All names and market data shown are for illustrative purposes only and are not a recommendation, offer to sell, or a solicitation of an offer to buy any security.
Forecasts contained herein are for illustrative purposes only, may be based upon proprietary research and are developed through analysis of historical public data.
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In this episode, Liz Ann Sonders and Collin Martin explore how rising Treasury yields and persistent inflation pressures are reshaping the relationship between stocks and bonds, reviving a more volatile, “temperamental” market regime where higher yields can weigh on equities. They discuss the likelihood of a “higher for longer” rate environment, the challenges facing incoming Fed leadership, and why rate cuts appear increasingly unlikely in the near term.
The conversation then shifts to municipal bonds with Cooper Howard, who explains how munis work, why their tax advantages make them especially attractive for higher-income investors, and how to evaluate them relative to Treasuries and corporate bonds. He highlights that while munis are generally high quality and relatively stable, investors should still pay attention to credit risk, valuation metrics like the muni-to-Treasury ratio, and strategy considerations such as bond ladders.
Finally, Collin and Liz Ann look ahead to next week’s upcoming macroeconomic indicators and key data releases.
On Investing is an original podcast from Charles Schwab (https://schwab.com) . For more on the show, visit schwab.com/OnInvesting (schwab.com/OnInvesting) .
If you enjoy the show, please leave a rating or review on Apple Podcasts (http://getpodcast.reviews/id/1711806955) .
Important Disclosures
This material is intended for general informational and educational purposes only. This should not be considered an individualized recommendation or personalized investment advice. The securities, investment products and investment strategies mentioned are not suitable for everyone. Each investor needs to review an investment strategy for his or her own particular situation before making any investment decisions.
All expressions of opinion are subject to change without notice in reaction to shifting market, economic or political conditions. Data contained herein from third party providers is obtained from what are considered reliable sources. However, its accuracy, completeness or reliability cannot be guaranteed.
Past performance is no guarantee of future results.
Investing involves risk, including loss of principal.
Performance may be affected by risks associated with non-diversification, including investments in specific countries or sectors. Additional risks may also include, but are not limited to, investments in foreign securities, especially emerging markets, real estate investment trusts (REITs), fixed income, municipal securities including state specific municipal securities, small capitalization securities and commodities. Each individual investor should consider these risks carefully before investing in a particular security or strategy.
Fixed income securities are subject to increased loss of principal during periods of rising interest rates. Fixed income investments are subject to various other risks including changes in credit quality, market valuations, liquidity, prepayments, early redemption, corporate events, tax ramifications, and other factors. Lower rated securities are subject to greater credit risk, default risk, and liquidity risk.
Tax-exempt bonds are not necessarily a suitable investment for all persons. Information related to a security's tax-exempt status (federal and in-state) is obtained from third parties, and Charles Schwab Investment Management, Inc., dba Schwab Asset Management does not guarantee its accuracy. Tax-exempt income may be subject to the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT). Capital appreciation from bond funds and discounted bonds may be subject to state or local taxes. Capital gains are not exempt from federal income tax.
A bond ladder, depending on the types and amount of securities within the ladder, may not ensure adequate diversification of your investment portfolio. This potential lack of diversification may result in heightened volatility of the value of your portfolio. As compared to other fixed income products and strategies, engaging in a bond ladder strategy may potentially result in future reinvestment at lower interest rates and may necessitate higher minimum investments to maintain cost-effectiveness. Evaluate whether a bond ladder and the securities held within it are consistent with your investment objective, risk tolerance and financial circumstances.
Money market funds are neither insured nor guaranteed by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation or any other government agency. Although the fund seeks to preserve the value of an investment at $1.00 per share, it is possible to lose money by investing in the fund.
All names and market data shown are for illustrative purposes only and are not a recommendation, offer to sell, or a solicitation of an offer to buy any security.
Forecasts contained herein are for illustrative purposes only, may be based upon proprietary research and are developed through analysis of historical public data.
The policy analysis p...
