Uploaded October 2025 | Updated September 2026, 3 weeks ago

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0:00 Teaser
0:59 Why Liron became a Yudkowskian
5:17 Eliezer Yudkowsky’s vision of AI apocalypse
12:45 Does intelligence want power?
19:24 Decoding Yudkowsky’s key Darwinian metaphor
31:12 Is doomerism crowding out other AI worries?
40:38 Liron: The silent majority is very AI anxious
45:41 Heading to Overtime

Discussed in Overtime:
Steelmanning AI accelerationism.
The long-ago Bob-Eliezer podcast meetup.
Steven Pinker, the rationalists, and Bayesian problematics.
Liron’s activist (and contrarian) streak.
What’s the deal with Dario Amodei?

Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Liron Shapira (Pause AI, Relationship Hero). Recorded October 15, 2025.

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