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This is an excerpt from The Larry Arnn Show, in which Hillsdale College President Larry P. Arnn interviews author and scholar Heather Mac Donald. The two discuss the dangers created when American institutions abandon merit-based selection in favor of racial quotas, as detailed in her book When Race Trumps Merit. Later, Mac Donald breaks down the statistics reflecting the startling increase in violent crime in American cities. This interview was conducted on October 28th, 2023.
Discover more at podcast.hillsdale.edu.
When Race Trumps Merit: amazon.com/When-Race-Trumps-Merit-Sacrifices/dp/1956007164
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Timecodes:
0:00 Introduction: Heather Mac Donald on Merit, Race & Civilization
1:13 From Yale to Cambridge: A Love of Language & Literature
5:07 Beauty, Truth & the Purpose of Great Writing
7:42 When Race Trumps Merit: The Book & the Argument
11:24 Why Defending Merit Is Not About Race — It's About Civilization
13:35 Classical Music, Blind Auditions & the Perfect Test of Merit
17:21 Race Hustling in the Arts: The Classical Music Diversity Fraud
21:03 Meritocracy or Diversity: You Cannot Have Both
24:18 The Academic Skills Gap: What the Data Actually Shows
29:19 School Reform, Family Culture & the Real Cause of the Gap
33:48 The Dignity of Teaching & What John Dewey Destroyed
40:10 The Collapse of Law Enforcement in American Cities
43:01 Crime, Race & the Statistics the Media Won't Report
46:47 How Many People Do Cops Actually Kill — And Who's Really at Risk?
49:24 Local Police vs. Federal Law Enforcement: Two Different Problems
53:53 Why Is All of This Happening? The Root Cause of the Meritocracy Crisis
57:21 Power, Admissions & Why Objective Standards Threaten the Bureaucracy
1:03:45 The Post-George Floyd National Psychosis & Hatred of Western Civilization
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Hillsdale College is an independent institution of higher learning founded in 1844 by men and women “grateful to God for the inestimable blessings” resulting from civil and religious liberty and “believing that the diffusion of learning is essential to the perpetuity of these blessings.” It pursues the stated object of the founders: “to furnish all persons who wish, irrespective of nation, color, or sex, a literary, scientific, [and] theological education” outstanding among American colleges “and to combine with this such moral and social instruction as will best develop the minds and improve the hearts of its pupils.” As a nonsectarian Christian institution, Hillsdale College maintains “by precept and example” the immemorial teachings and practices of the Christian faith.
The College also considers itself a trustee of our Western philosophical and theological inheritance tracing to Athens and Jerusalem, a heritage finding its clearest expression in the American experiment of self-government under law.
By training the young in the liberal arts, Hillsdale College prepares students to become leaders worthy of that legacy. By encouraging the scholarship of its faculty, it contributes to the preservation of that legacy for future generations. By publicly defending that legacy, it enlists the aid of other friends of free civilization and thus secures the conditions of its own survival and independence.
Start your education here: http://hillsdale.edu
This is an excerpt from The Larry Arnn Show, in which Hillsdale College President Larry P. Arnn interviews author and scholar Heather Mac Donald. The two discuss the dangers created when American institutions abandon merit-based selection in favor of racial quotas, as detailed in her book When Race Trumps Merit. Later, Mac Donald breaks down the statistics reflecting the startling increase in violent crime in American cities. This interview was conducted on October 28th, 2023.
Discover more at podcast.hillsdale.edu.
When Race Trumps Merit: amazon.com/When-Race-Trumps-Merit-Sacrifices/dp/1956007164
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Timecodes:
0:00 Introduction: Heather Mac Donald on Merit, Race & Civilization
1:13 From Yale to Cambridge: A Love of Language & Literature
5:07 Beauty, Truth & the Purpose of Great Writing
7:42 When Race Trumps Merit: The Book & the Argument
11:24 Why Defending Merit Is Not About Race — It's About Civilization
13:35 Classical Music, Blind Auditions & the Perfect Test of Merit
17:21 Race Hustling in the Arts: The Classical Music Diversity Fraud
21:03 Meritocracy or Diversity: You Cannot Have Both
24:18 The Academic Skills Gap: What the Data Actually Shows
29:19 School Reform, Family Culture & the Real Cause of the Gap
33:48 The Dignity of Teaching & What John Dewey Destroyed
40:10 The Collapse of Law Enforcement in American Cities
43:01 Crime, Race & the Statistics the Media Won't Report
46:47 How Many People Do Cops Actually Kill — And Who's Really at Risk?
49:24 Local Police vs. Federal Law Enforcement: Two Different Problems
53:53 Why Is All of This Happening? The Root Cause of the Meritocracy Crisis
57:21 Power, Admissions & Why Objective Standards Threaten the Bureaucracy
1:03:45 The Post-George Floyd National Psychosis & Hatred of Western Civilization
Support Hillsdale College: https://secured.hillsdale.edu/hillsdale/support-hillsdale-college
Visit our website: http://hillsdale.edu
Learn from our online courses: http://online.hillsdale.edu
Read Imprimis: https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/
Undergraduate programs: https://www.hillsdale.edu/information-for/undergraduate-admissions/
Graduate School of Statesmanship: https://www.hillsdale.edu/academics/graduate-school/
Graduate School of Government: https://dc.hillsdale.edu/School-of-Government/Program-Overview/
Graduate School of Education: https://classicalgrad.hillsdale.edu/
Listen to the Hillsdale College Podcast Network: https://podcast.hillsdale.edu/
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Hillsdale College is an independent institution of higher learning founded in 1844 by men and women “grateful to God for the inestimable blessings” resulting from civil and religious liberty and “believing that the diffusion of learning is essential to the perpetuity of these blessings.” It pursues the stated object of the founders: “to furnish all persons who wish, irrespective of nation, color, or sex, a literary, scientific, [and] theological education” outstanding among American colleges “and to combine with this such moral and social instruction as will best develop the minds and improve the hearts of its pupils.” As a nonsectarian Christian institution, Hillsdale College maintains “by precept and example” the immemorial teachings and practices of the Christian faith.
The College also considers itself a trustee of our Western philosophical and theological inheritance tracing to Athens and Jerusalem, a heritage finding its clearest expression in the American experiment of self-government under law.
By training the young in the liberal arts, Hillsdale College prepares students to become leaders worthy of that legacy. By encouraging the scholarship of its faculty, it contributes to the preservation of that legacy for future generations. By publicly defending that legacy, it enlists the aid of other friends of free civilization and thus secures the conditions of its own survival and independence.
