The Ellen Fisher Podcast | PRO LIFE vs. PRO CHOICE debate | opposing views with Lila Rose & Brenda Davies @theellenfisherpodcast | Uploaded June 2022 | Updated October 2024, 8 hours ago.
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Not many issues are more polarizing and heated than the topic of abortion. Pro life advocates believe in the inherent value and human rights of the unborn. Pro choice advocates believe in the inherent value of the rights of women to choose whether to continue a pregnancy or not and to have bodily autonomy.
I sit down with Brenda Davies and Lila Rose, two advocates with very opposing views on the topic of abortion. Brenda is a writer, podcaster, and left-leaning pro-choice Christian with the YouTube channel called God is Grey. Brenda believes that forced birth is immoral and that abortion can be better prevented by making this nation a more hospitable place for new & existing life with left leaning policies. Lila is a writer, speaker and pro life activist. She’s the founder and president of Live Action, a human rights nonprofit with the largest digital footprint on the globe for the pro-life movement. Live Action exists to defend the rights of the unborn and make abortion unthinkable.
In this episode we cover:
- Is it always wrong to commit intentional violence on an innocent human person?
- Is it immoral to force teens and women to give birth against their will? What about bodily autonomy?
- What is the moment of distinction when a person deserves basic human rights? Gestational age? A heartbeat? Viability? When a person takes their first breath after birth?
- Both mother and child have rights - are those rights in conflict when it comes to pregnancy?
- A common reason why someone is pro-choice: “I wouldn’t personally get an abortion but I wouldn’t want to restrict someone else from getting one.”
- Is the way we talk about this debate “pro life” and “pro choice” are accurate to how people who hold those views truly think and act?
- There was over 600,000 abortions last year, if all abortions were banned, that would be 600,000 more kids, a lot of them in poverty or tough situations, what would be the plan to deal with that?
- Horrific instances of rape or incest, or when there is an extreme health risk to the mother? Or women who are suffering mentally?
- Sex elective abortion, where for example the parent chooses to abort their baby girl because they are specifically wanting a boy.
- would making abortion illegal actually reduce abortions?
- How the foster care system vs adoption shapes this conversation
- Do women need to rely on abortion to succeed in society?
- What about overpopulation?
- Roe v. Wade - will the Supreme Court overturn Roe? What will that mean for our national conversation about abortion?
WERE TO FIND BRENDA DAVIES:
Instagram instagram.com/godisgrey
Book amazon.com/Her-Knees-Memoir-Prayerful-Jezebel/dp/0802878539/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3LQ3QURVKWD94&keywords=on+her+knees+brenda+davies&qid=1655476936&sprefix=on+her+knees+%2Caps%2C134&sr=8-1
YouTube youtube.com/c/GodisGrey
WHERE TO FIND LILA ROSE:
Instagram instagram.com/lilaroseofficial
Website liveaction.org
Live Action instagram.com/LiveActionOrg
Book amazon.com/Fighting-Life-Becoming-Change-Wounded/dp/1400219876/ref=sr_1_2?crid=34X576ICN4RNU&keywords=Lila+rose+book&qid=1655476956&sprefix=lila+rose+boo%2Caps%2C108&sr=8-2
Resources from Lila that she mentioned in the episode:
OPTION LINE
optionline.org | (800) 712-4357
Option Line offers a confidential live chat, text line, and toll-free phone line that is available 24/7. The website contains additional resources for women who are considering abortion, have had an abortion, or are seeking alternatives to abortion. It can connect a woman almost anywhere to local free resources
CARE NET
care-net.org/find-a-pregnancy-center | (866) 993-0794
Care Net offers free resources and a confidential, toll-free, phone line available from 10 AM to 6 PM EST.
if you’re a woman considering abortion because of financial stress, reach out to Let Them Live: letthemlive.org
to see what happens in an abortion from ex abortionist doctors who have performed thousands of abortions, go here: abortionprocedures.com
WHERE TO FIND ME:
Get my ebooks: ellenfisher.com/ebooks
My instagram: instagram.com/ellenfisher
LISTEN to these episodes on Apple Podcast or Spotify: link.chtbl.com/ellenfisherpod
Family YouTube channel: youtube.com/c/ellenfisher
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Thank you to our partner's for sponsoring today's episode
Buffy: Use my code ELLEN for $20 off orders over $80. buffy.co
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Not many issues are more polarizing and heated than the topic of abortion. Pro life advocates believe in the inherent value and human rights of the unborn. Pro choice advocates believe in the inherent value of the rights of women to choose whether to continue a pregnancy or not and to have bodily autonomy.
I sit down with Brenda Davies and Lila Rose, two advocates with very opposing views on the topic of abortion. Brenda is a writer, podcaster, and left-leaning pro-choice Christian with the YouTube channel called God is Grey. Brenda believes that forced birth is immoral and that abortion can be better prevented by making this nation a more hospitable place for new & existing life with left leaning policies. Lila is a writer, speaker and pro life activist. She’s the founder and president of Live Action, a human rights nonprofit with the largest digital footprint on the globe for the pro-life movement. Live Action exists to defend the rights of the unborn and make abortion unthinkable.
In this episode we cover:
- Is it always wrong to commit intentional violence on an innocent human person?
- Is it immoral to force teens and women to give birth against their will? What about bodily autonomy?
- What is the moment of distinction when a person deserves basic human rights? Gestational age? A heartbeat? Viability? When a person takes their first breath after birth?
- Both mother and child have rights - are those rights in conflict when it comes to pregnancy?
- A common reason why someone is pro-choice: “I wouldn’t personally get an abortion but I wouldn’t want to restrict someone else from getting one.”
- Is the way we talk about this debate “pro life” and “pro choice” are accurate to how people who hold those views truly think and act?
- There was over 600,000 abortions last year, if all abortions were banned, that would be 600,000 more kids, a lot of them in poverty or tough situations, what would be the plan to deal with that?
- Horrific instances of rape or incest, or when there is an extreme health risk to the mother? Or women who are suffering mentally?
- Sex elective abortion, where for example the parent chooses to abort their baby girl because they are specifically wanting a boy.
- would making abortion illegal actually reduce abortions?
- How the foster care system vs adoption shapes this conversation
- Do women need to rely on abortion to succeed in society?
- What about overpopulation?
- Roe v. Wade - will the Supreme Court overturn Roe? What will that mean for our national conversation about abortion?
WERE TO FIND BRENDA DAVIES:
Instagram instagram.com/godisgrey
Book amazon.com/Her-Knees-Memoir-Prayerful-Jezebel/dp/0802878539/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3LQ3QURVKWD94&keywords=on+her+knees+brenda+davies&qid=1655476936&sprefix=on+her+knees+%2Caps%2C134&sr=8-1
YouTube youtube.com/c/GodisGrey
WHERE TO FIND LILA ROSE:
Instagram instagram.com/lilaroseofficial
Website liveaction.org
Live Action instagram.com/LiveActionOrg
Book amazon.com/Fighting-Life-Becoming-Change-Wounded/dp/1400219876/ref=sr_1_2?crid=34X576ICN4RNU&keywords=Lila+rose+book&qid=1655476956&sprefix=lila+rose+boo%2Caps%2C108&sr=8-2
Resources from Lila that she mentioned in the episode:
OPTION LINE
optionline.org | (800) 712-4357
Option Line offers a confidential live chat, text line, and toll-free phone line that is available 24/7. The website contains additional resources for women who are considering abortion, have had an abortion, or are seeking alternatives to abortion. It can connect a woman almost anywhere to local free resources
CARE NET
care-net.org/find-a-pregnancy-center | (866) 993-0794
Care Net offers free resources and a confidential, toll-free, phone line available from 10 AM to 6 PM EST.
if you’re a woman considering abortion because of financial stress, reach out to Let Them Live: letthemlive.org
to see what happens in an abortion from ex abortionist doctors who have performed thousands of abortions, go here: abortionprocedures.com
WHERE TO FIND ME:
Get my ebooks: ellenfisher.com/ebooks
My instagram: instagram.com/ellenfisher
LISTEN to these episodes on Apple Podcast or Spotify: link.chtbl.com/ellenfisherpod
Family YouTube channel: youtube.com/c/ellenfisher
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http://share.mscbd.fm/ellenfisher
