Uploaded September 2024 | Updated September 2026, 1 day ago
In today’s episode, Noah Smith and Brad DeLong tackle pressing topics such as the potential for a 'China Shock 2', the effectiveness of missile defense systems, and the shifting role of economists since the Great Recession. They also explore the nuances of economic theory, policy implementation, and real-world outcomes, particularly in a fast-paced information age.
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References:
Brad DeLong: braddelong.substack.com
Smith, Noah. 2024. “Why so many of us were wrong about missile defense”. Noahpinion. April 15: https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/why-so-many-of-us-were-wrong-about
Smith, Noah. 2024. “Twilight of the economists?” Noahpinion. April 12: https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/twilight-of-the-economists
Smith, Noah. 2024. “The decade of the Second China Shock”. March 23: https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/the-decade-of-the-second-china-shock
Vinge, Vernor. 1999. A Deepness in the Sky. New York: Tor Books: amazon.com/Deepness-Sky-Zones-Thought/dp/0812536355
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TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Intro
(01:40) China Shock 2.0
(07:01) Debating U.S. policy responses
(09:26) China's manufacturing and global trade
(17:53) Market economies of Europe and Japan
(22:29) Sponsors: Netsuite | Alts
(24:33) Importance of taking preemptive actions
(31:40) Financial capitalism vs. Industrial policy
(33:16) Sponsor: WorkOS
(34:51) Financial Capitalism and Intel's Struggles
(35:20) Critique of economists and economics
(36:30) State of the economics profession
(39:58) Economists' influence on policy
(48:52) Missile defense and Its Implications
(51:19) Russia's military strategy and economic constraints
(59:20) Future of warfare and economic mobilization
(01:06:40) Wrap
In today’s episode, Noah Smith and Brad DeLong tackle pressing topics such as the potential for a 'China Shock 2', the effectiveness of missile defense systems, and the shifting role of economists since the Great Recession. They also explore the nuances of economic theory, policy implementation, and real-world outcomes, particularly in a fast-paced information age.
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🎙️ This Won't Last - Eavesdrop on Keith Rabois, Kevin Ryan, Logan Bartlett, and Zach Weinberg's monthly backchannel. They unpack their hottest takes on the future of tech, business, venture, investing, and politics.
Apple Podcasts: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/id1765665937
Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/2HwSNeVLL1MXy0RjFPyOSz
YouTube: youtube.com/@ThisWontLastpodcast
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LINKS:
Noahpinion: https://www.noahpinion.blog/
Hexapedia links:
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SPOTIFY - open.spotify.com/show/2uHLn3k2PrhY3exPs1sUeB
References:
Brad DeLong: braddelong.substack.com
Smith, Noah. 2024. “Why so many of us were wrong about missile defense”. Noahpinion. April 15: https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/why-so-many-of-us-were-wrong-about
Smith, Noah. 2024. “Twilight of the economists?” Noahpinion. April 12: https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/twilight-of-the-economists
Smith, Noah. 2024. “The decade of the Second China Shock”. March 23: https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/the-decade-of-the-second-china-shock
Vinge, Vernor. 1999. A Deepness in the Sky. New York: Tor Books: amazon.com/Deepness-Sky-Zones-Thought/dp/0812536355
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TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Intro
(01:40) China Shock 2.0
(07:01) Debating U.S. policy responses
(09:26) China's manufacturing and global trade
(17:53) Market economies of Europe and Japan
(22:29) Sponsors: Netsuite | Alts
(24:33) Importance of taking preemptive actions
(31:40) Financial capitalism vs. Industrial policy
(33:16) Sponsor: WorkOS
(34:51) Financial Capitalism and Intel's Struggles
(35:20) Critique of economists and economics
(36:30) State of the economics profession
(39:58) Economists' influence on policy
(48:52) Missile defense and Its Implications
(51:19) Russia's military strategy and economic constraints
(59:20) Future of warfare and economic mobilization
(01:06:40) Wrap










![Analyzing Economies [Round 3]: Middle East, Africa, South America, and North America
This episode is a continuation of the series analyzing the economies around the world, with Noah Smith and Erik Torenberg. Todays installment focuses on the Middle East, Africa, South America, and North America. They discuss the economic challenges and solutions in Egypt and Saudi Arabia, as well as Latin America’s drug problem and Canada’s economic stagnation.
This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co.
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SEND US YOUR Qs FOR NOAH TO ANSWER ON AIR: Econ102@Turpentine.co
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Links:
Noah Smiths Noahpinion https://www.noahpinion.blog
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TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Intro
(00:32) Egypts economic challenges
(05:25) How rich is Saudi Arabia
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(15:13) Africa’s population growth and demographic dynamics
(32:49) Africa’s economic potential
(38:58) Mexicos manufacturing and security woes
(43:48) Brazils potential in South American manufacturing
(48:01) Latin Americas fight against inequality
(55:12) Dominican Republics economic success
(01:00:51) Canadas economic stagnation
(01:05:33) Wrap
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