Uploaded March 2025 | Updated September 2026, 3 hours ago

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Part 2 Q&A discussion between Dr. David Shoemaker and Dr. Richard Kaczynski. The focus of this conversation is on orders and initiation. We get into the benefits of going through the A∴A∴ and/or O.T.O., what their own membership means now as senior initiates, Thelema's biggest strengths and weaknesses, if Crowley's magick can be improved, and projected hopes for the O.T.O. in the future. As pillars of the Thelemic community, they have such valuable insight and knowledge on this topic. It's truly a blessing for them to share their time and energy in service of the community.

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