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Barack Obama wants university leaders to stick to their guns. Appearing on the final episode of Marc Maron’s long-running WTF podcast, the former U.S. president urged college presidents to guard their academic independence, even if it means losing some federal money. Obama’s message comes at a pivotal moment, as the Trump administration pressures colleges to get on board with its sweeping higher-education agenda. The administration's “Compact for Academic Excellence in Higher Education,” proposed this month, would require colleges to accept restrictions on admissions, hiring, and speech in exchange for preferred access to federal money. But what would passing Obama’s leadership test mean in practice? And who might be willing to risk standing up to Trump?
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Episode 1686: Barack Obama (wtfpod.com/podcast/episode-1686-barack-obama) (WTF with Marc Maron)
Trump’s ‘Compact’ is Freaking People Out (chronicle.com/podcast/college-matters-from-the-chronicle/trumps-compact-is-freaking-people-out) (College Matters from The Chronicle)
Obama’s Legacy: An Unlikely Hawk on Higher Ed (chronicle.com/article/obamas-legacy-br-an-unlikely-hawk-on-higher-ed-br/) (The Chronicle)
Guest
Andy Thomason (chronicle.com/author/andy-thomason) , assistant managing editor of The Chronicle of Higher Education
For more on today’s episode, visit chronicle.com/collegematters (chronicle.com/collegematters) . We aim to make transcripts available within a day of an episode’s publication.
Barack Obama wants university leaders to stick to their guns. Appearing on the final episode of Marc Maron’s long-running WTF podcast, the former U.S. president urged college presidents to guard their academic independence, even if it means losing some federal money. Obama’s message comes at a pivotal moment, as the Trump administration pressures colleges to get on board with its sweeping higher-education agenda. The administration's “Compact for Academic Excellence in Higher Education,” proposed this month, would require colleges to accept restrictions on admissions, hiring, and speech in exchange for preferred access to federal money. But what would passing Obama’s leadership test mean in practice? And who might be willing to risk standing up to Trump?
Related Reading
Episode 1686: Barack Obama (wtfpod.com/podcast/episode-1686-barack-obama) (WTF with Marc Maron)
Trump’s ‘Compact’ is Freaking People Out (chronicle.com/podcast/college-matters-from-the-chronicle/trumps-compact-is-freaking-people-out) (College Matters from The Chronicle)
Obama’s Legacy: An Unlikely Hawk on Higher Ed (chronicle.com/article/obamas-legacy-br-an-unlikely-hawk-on-higher-ed-br/) (The Chronicle)
Guest
Andy Thomason (chronicle.com/author/andy-thomason) , assistant managing editor of The Chronicle of Higher Education
For more on today’s episode, visit chronicle.com/collegematters (chronicle.com/collegematters) . We aim to make transcripts available within a day of an episode’s publication.
