Uploaded March 2026 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago
In this episode of Possible, Reid and Aria talk with Ivan Zhao, co-founder of Notion, about what happens when intelligence becomes abundant rather than scarce. Zhao shares his philosophy of treating computing as a material — like steel or steam — and why organizations must be built for human scale in an AI-driven world. From Renaissance cities to Xerox PARC, the conversation traces a shift from productivity software to cognitive infrastructure, and arrives at a clear conclusion: in an AI-powered future, human judgment, taste, and values matter most.
For more info on the podcast and transcripts of all the episodes, visit https://www.possible.fm/podcast/
00:00 The Risky Rebuild That Saved Notion
03:14 Why AI Is a New Material
06:09 The GPT-4 Breakthrough
10:25 Inside Notion’s AI Workforce
15:08 Why Great Companies Rebuild
19:00 Taste vs. Skills in the AI Era
21:18 The Age of Infinite Minds
24:53 The Rise of AI Teams
36:57 Human-Scale AI
48:13 The Agency Problem
56:10 Rapid Fire Questions
In this episode of Possible, Reid and Aria talk with Ivan Zhao, co-founder of Notion, about what happens when intelligence becomes abundant rather than scarce. Zhao shares his philosophy of treating computing as a material — like steel or steam — and why organizations must be built for human scale in an AI-driven world. From Renaissance cities to Xerox PARC, the conversation traces a shift from productivity software to cognitive infrastructure, and arrives at a clear conclusion: in an AI-powered future, human judgment, taste, and values matter most.
For more info on the podcast and transcripts of all the episodes, visit https://www.possible.fm/podcast/
00:00 The Risky Rebuild That Saved Notion
03:14 Why AI Is a New Material
06:09 The GPT-4 Breakthrough
10:25 Inside Notion’s AI Workforce
15:08 Why Great Companies Rebuild
19:00 Taste vs. Skills in the AI Era
21:18 The Age of Infinite Minds
24:53 The Rise of AI Teams
36:57 Human-Scale AI
48:13 The Agency Problem
56:10 Rapid Fire Questions
