bakeneko | N64 MST 1080 Route vs Ganondoor Route Comparison @bakeneko8252 | Uploaded 5 years ago | Updated 3 hours ago
*This comparison is for N64 MST, not VC (Although I feel an Adult Ganondoor route can be faster than current route for VC as well)
Ganondoor route is 28 sec faster than 1080 route. Check this doc if you're interested in detail of both route (1080 route is sheet 2, Ganondoor route is sheet 3) : docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CzkHUpx9kqeXHR22-8hDE612i2Kfi9xgiCRQNSHg0rw/edit?usp=sharing
(EDIT1) I found Ganondoor route Jabu equips can be optimized more and it skipped 1 pause at Zora's Domain after Jabu, it saves 1.5-2 sec. Also Adarax pointed that HESS is faster than using hookshot after Goron Shop to LW, it saves 0.5-1 sec. So Ganonodoor route is over 30 sec faster now even with Shadow HC.
(EDIT2) Using Dododongdoor makes Gannondoor route 13s faster: youtu.be/AOAy3cbevOs
But Dodongdoor route has some annoying part, so I think normal Ganondoor route is enough good for consistency.
I made both route in February 2018. At that time, 1080 route was faster already, furthermore, collapse skip after 1080 room was found. So 1080 route was much faster than Ganondoor route before. But we got new tricks: Ground Clip Boat Skip, Damage Ground Clip in Gohma's room and Collapse Skip after Ganondoor room (A.K.A. Rocks Collapse Skip). These tricks made Ganondoor route much faster and finally it became faster than 1080 route.
The main point of Ganondoor route is of course Rocks Collapse Skip after Deku Ganondoor. But another point is using In Game Time after LACS for Fire Arrows. LACS sets IGT to 3:59 AM (2aaa) and it's right before morning. So for Fire Arrows, you don't need to watch Water CS for morning or don't need to be hurry in some areas where IGT advances like 1080 route. So often we call this route LACS FA route when we need to distinguish this route from another Ganondoor route.
I think basically LACS FA Ganondoor route is easier than 1080 route, but Spirit Jump and Fire Arrows after LACS is kinda tricky. So alternate route can be made.
(EDIT) I tested some route ideas. Most of them are slower than LACS FA Ganondoor route for now, but some of them can use for easier alternate route. Check route doc I pasted earlier if you interested in. (Btw getting ocarina was slower for Ganondoor route, so you don't need to waste time for WESS Escape%, thank you god: youtu.be/O4WzqcGGw_Y )
*This comparison is for N64 MST, not VC (Although I feel an Adult Ganondoor route can be faster than current route for VC as well)
Ganondoor route is 28 sec faster than 1080 route. Check this doc if you're interested in detail of both route (1080 route is sheet 2, Ganondoor route is sheet 3) : docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CzkHUpx9kqeXHR22-8hDE612i2Kfi9xgiCRQNSHg0rw/edit?usp=sharing
(EDIT1) I found Ganondoor route Jabu equips can be optimized more and it skipped 1 pause at Zora's Domain after Jabu, it saves 1.5-2 sec. Also Adarax pointed that HESS is faster than using hookshot after Goron Shop to LW, it saves 0.5-1 sec. So Ganonodoor route is over 30 sec faster now even with Shadow HC.
(EDIT2) Using Dododongdoor makes Gannondoor route 13s faster: youtu.be/AOAy3cbevOs
But Dodongdoor route has some annoying part, so I think normal Ganondoor route is enough good for consistency.
I made both route in February 2018. At that time, 1080 route was faster already, furthermore, collapse skip after 1080 room was found. So 1080 route was much faster than Ganondoor route before. But we got new tricks: Ground Clip Boat Skip, Damage Ground Clip in Gohma's room and Collapse Skip after Ganondoor room (A.K.A. Rocks Collapse Skip). These tricks made Ganondoor route much faster and finally it became faster than 1080 route.
The main point of Ganondoor route is of course Rocks Collapse Skip after Deku Ganondoor. But another point is using In Game Time after LACS for Fire Arrows. LACS sets IGT to 3:59 AM (2aaa) and it's right before morning. So for Fire Arrows, you don't need to watch Water CS for morning or don't need to be hurry in some areas where IGT advances like 1080 route. So often we call this route LACS FA route when we need to distinguish this route from another Ganondoor route.
I think basically LACS FA Ganondoor route is easier than 1080 route, but Spirit Jump and Fire Arrows after LACS is kinda tricky. So alternate route can be made.
(EDIT) I tested some route ideas. Most of them are slower than LACS FA Ganondoor route for now, but some of them can use for easier alternate route. Check route doc I pasted earlier if you interested in. (Btw getting ocarina was slower for Ganondoor route, so you don't need to waste time for WESS Escape%, thank you god: youtu.be/O4WzqcGGw_Y )
