Deconverted ManWhen do we have the burden of proof? JCO seems to think that even when
someone says "Believe" they have the burden to prove the idea.
Can I convince them otherwise? Lets find out.
JonathanCOwens Burdan of proof talkDeconverted Man2024-05-19 | When do we have the burden of proof? JCO seems to think that even when
someone says "Believe" they have the burden to prove the idea.
Can I convince them otherwise? Lets find out.
Steve's paper: https://www.academia.edu/80085203/How_the_Presumption_of_Atheism_by_way_of_Semiotic_Square_of_Opposition_leads_to_a_Semantic_CollapseI dont want chicken. (Atheism: The Belief There is NO God)Deconverted Man2024-06-21 | OV: youtube.com/watch?v=seFSnxrmcTc&list=WL&index=31
OH MY WORD SO MUCH PROOF.
.... of course by proof they mean bad arguments.
So... I guess I'll complain about the arguments being bad.
Again.
Here goes!
By the way I only do parts of all of these videos because I took to long on the first video but my word it was bad. Anyway... also link to that monkey thing:
Woot. Thanks for watching and reading and stuff and things. Post a comment for a lobster point.Deconverted Man goes to JapanDeconverted Man2024-06-19 | I said in my last video that LOD had summoned me. It seems that it put me in Japan somehow. I explore it a bit here for you, the audio might not be that great. Anyway that is where I was for the past few days.
Good times. :)LOD: Deconverted ManDeconverted Man2024-06-05 | Lod has summoned me, I must go. I'll be back and explain. See you then.Thinking Christian thinks he has faith in holy spirt due to bad logicDeconverted Man2024-06-04 | OV: youtube.com/watch?v=3kmZ1lWy0dg
You can't make this stuff up my friends.
You don't need evidence when you can just believe that the holy spirt is real!
Yep. Its pretty much that dumb.
I'll explain in this overview of this video that I'll do in this live stream as I maybe respond to chat.
Hashtag time.
Does James ever disprove atheism? (?!) Spoiler: Nope!
Am I going to respond to him anyway? .... Wait that ... yes of course I am. Here I go! Weeeee. Hashtag time!
#theist #apologetics #islam #muslim #faith #logic #atheist #skepticThe ash-Shayṭān song!Deconverted Man2024-06-02 | Ash-Shayṭān! And I love him so much cuss, I'm under the evil power of the world, where nothing matters at all, and I only do good because the universe came from nothing and nothing matters at all! ALL HAL ash-Shayṭān! Weee! Banana in my ear! And Lobster makes sense like flirting with a married woman! ANYWAY... nom nom nom nom nom!
Nerdy and Nitty Low and Titty Deconverted Man who cares it makes no sense! Do the dance cuss makes sense! NOM NOM NOM NOM!
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#lobstersexist #catapultpancakesAtheism 101: what it is, and is not.Deconverted Man2024-06-01 | Just telling it like it is. :) Atheism!
Ah yes, not reading a book*1 will lead to a strawman construct in order to give a weak argument that isn't the real argument so you can pretend to knock down that argument and "win" CLASSIC APOLOGETICS.
Anyway, in the book "Atheism" The case against God" by George H. Smith on page 239 Smith QUOTES a writer David Brooks - his book (The Necessity of Atheism) here BROOKS asks who created God.
If one reads the darn book you will see why this is brought up and why this isn't the whole of the argument that Smith is making.
*1
Perhaps Millerman will cite the page number next time. (ha!)
Perhaps Millerman read the book and forgot what it said.
Perhaps Millerman read what some webpage said about the book or quoted from the book, so read a part of the book but not the whole thing. Like from this webpage maybe: tektonics.org/qt/smithg01.php Its possible that Millerman read the book but strawmaned it anyway.
Maybe Millerman Milled Much Methods and Made Many Mounds of Mushy Logical Mutterings. Mayhap.
*Update!*
Quote: @millerman 5 minutes ago I read it 20+ years ago so I don't remember the page number but I've shared with you as best as I can recall one of his arguments and why it produced a kind of a-ha moment in me about the topic of "kinds of being." Hopefully that's enough for some viewers either to read the book themselves or to follow some other thread in my remarks, like the reference to Heidegger. Thanks for watching and commenting. -MM
#apologetics #atheist #god #faith #MichaelMillerman #logic #atheist #skepticNate May has no proof of God.Deconverted Man2024-05-27 | OV: youtube.com/watch?v=Pn2pgt3Gb6I Zero citations. Zero facts. Just bad arguments. Same old same old.
Hey he had some hashtags... I'll just borrow those.
I'm going to respond to whatever he says live, at some point I will re-cover everything said in a recorded video to highlight any and all logical fallacies as well as make many memes. Also, I had the lobster first darn it.
#jordenpeterson #god #faith #logic #skeptic #athiestMorality MonopolyDeconverted Man2024-05-21 | What does God need with dice?
#morals #logicThe QURANs scientific facts that no one could possibly know.Deconverted Man2024-05-21 | I'm going to take a look at the """"FACTS"""" that the Quran has that are scientific.... and I am going to ask some questions...
I'm sure no one will get upset at this video. Please do not get upset at me. Also, if you are wondering, my real name is Matt Slick, and my webpage is carm.org
This apologist tells the truth for once: They do not have reason or logic.
#apologetics #apologist #fatih #god #logic #atheist #skepticJonathanCOwens open invite.Deconverted Man2024-05-12 | Come on in, take a seat good to see you have a great week, here is the burden of proof you see, lets figure out what reality is.JCO Journey doesnt understand the word AtheismDeconverted Man2024-05-12 | OV: youtube.com/watch?v=8fMlJjfDSyM Oh good. Words.
#apologetics #logic #skeptic #logic #godDont feed the trolls. But, who is a troll?Deconverted Man2024-05-11 | Can we use logic to decide who is or is not a troll? Or is it a purely subjective matter?Would you rather be alone with bear or man....Deconverted Man2024-05-04 | An overview of the bad logic on display here.Islam - where to begin?Deconverted Man2024-05-04 | Islam one of the major religions of the world.
Lets talk about it.
Featuring this video: youtube.com/watch?v=d0B-N97qLsU&t=0s
This is a "short" video.What is genocide?Deconverted Man2024-05-02 | Hamas attacked people of Israel, and now the two are at war with each other, with both sides being accused of Genocide (but only Israel being done so in court) - what IS genocide?
Can logic help us to sort this out? Spoiler: Nope its natural language
Yet the very fact that it is something that we can not resolve then should put the idea that anyone is doing anything as something we must be skeptical about. After all, if we can not say what (X) is because it is subjective in nature, then how can we claim either side is doing (X)?
Its an overview of the arguments! But they have evidence somewhere on the channel... hmmm, nope looks like they have nothing but arguments (all of them being debunked many times... guess I'll have to do it AGAIN)
I'm not using a single clip from the OV. He has a ton of logical errors in his video that can be easily found.
Including but not limited to:
Equivocation, strawman of empiricism, false equivalence, apples to oranges, circular reasoning, false dichotomy, appeal to consequence, begging the question, bald assertions, special pleading, & switching the burden of proof!
God is not defined at all by him by the way. Its so funny to see him demand we explain things without explaining god.
God is (X) and isn't (Z), but how does he know this? He asserts that atheists want empirical evidence, well no I also would be okay with a repeatable test of some sort - but he doesn't have that.
God is an axiom - sure, prove it. Lets see a truth table Lets see some formulas for that.
He insists that "my method" negates "knowledge" without knowing what my method is! He just wants to be right I guess. Anyway... I'm done with him after this most likely, other bad and broken arguments to complain about.
I hate presup so, so much. *sigh*
Anyway I offer zero citations for all the things here so be skeptical about all the things if you want because being skeptical is a thing! :D
Thanks to @NerdyRodent for pointing me to udio.com I put in my lyrics and picked a style and it did the rest! :D "Strawman attack" will appear on my third album, I'm still going to make a music video at some point for a song that @aRTaGAINSTiGNORANCE made for me, but I've not gotten around to it (sorry)
Please post stuff on this video even if its just to say hi to me so I know you are there :) thanks! ^_^
p1: Lobsters exist. p2: If Lobsters exist, then Jimbob is wrong. c: Jimbob is wrong. (prove wrong)Response to Arguments Against Atheism (MadeByJimbob) PART 2Deconverted Man2024-04-21 | OV: youtube.com/watch?v=ZIL7OFbTC0s PART 2.
Today we find out that pain is just a thing that you don't like, sort of how we don't like the taste of poo when trying to eat a plate of it to prove free will. We learn that Jimbob needs to know what a word is when it suits him to pretend to not know what words are (shifting the burden of proof).
We see that BobJim does all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify a world of pain, suffering and hardship that somehow align with an all loving all powerful god. JobBim proceeds to make a lot of logical fallacies as he rambles on and on trying to say that pain is good for people, even if we don't like it, because it can help us to grow something something.
Due to lobsters existing, I reject this nonsense for what it is and proceed to pour meme's onto JimmyRobert's head until the video nearly explodes. After I'm done with that I proceed to my proper response that highlights all the issues that RobedJim has.
I don't put forth any syllogism here as I think that simply pointing out the numerous errors of Bommij is enough to rebuttal his non-argument against an argument.
Oh I forgot to mention he didn't link to where he got that version of the problem of evil, but its pretty close to what I've seen so I'll let that slide... well no I'm not doing that because I am mentioning here that no-citation bullshit we have come to expect from all apologists is here.
Bob didn't define any words so I'm not sure I understand anything he is saying anyway. Yes, that joke never gets old! Hahahaah madness.
Oh I am just going to link to my other videos I mentioned here:
I'm not sure what else to link to at this time let me know if you think I should put more Zelda here to find Links.
Time for hashtags.
#apologetics #apologist #god #problemofevil #faith #facts #logic #skeptic #atheistMinecraft but Im God.Deconverted Man2024-04-20 | Minecraft but I'm GOD.
#wlc #apologetics #faith #god #skeptic #atheistMetaphysics: non physical (my ideas on this)Deconverted Man2024-04-18 | *Warning!* Nothing I say here is supported by anything that I know of! Feel free to be super mega skeptical about all of it! I have zero citations to anything! Its pure speculation based on what I think I know about logic and metaphysics!
It might contain logical fallacies, grammatical errors, pretty sure it says nothing about science other then that science works so I think that I didn't make any pseudoscientific claims but if I did let me know!
So why no citations? Well... these are my thoughts and mine alone they may or may not be supported by other philosophical musings!
p1: effects of physics are neither more true or false then other effects of physics
p2: thoughts, evaluations and propositions are effects of physics
c: evaluations (effects) and propositions (effects) are not more true or false than other evaluations (effects) and propositions (effects).
p1: effects of physics are neither more true or false then other effects of physics p2: thoughts, evaluations and propositions are effects of physics c: evaluations (effects) and propositions (effects) are not more true or false than other evaluations (effects) and propositions (effects).
P1: Incoherent. Why? Because that is not how we use words!
Equivocation - p1 and conclusion use true/false in different ways.
Objective truth value of physical effects, vs truth value of thoughts, evaluations, and propositions. These are different contexts (categories).
Possible Red Herring: Truth or falsity of physical effects to the truth or falsity of thoughts, evaluations, and propositions.
Balls and cups! This is the word play I was talking about.
Possible Sweeping Generalization:
Just because thoughts, evaluations, and propositions are effects of physics does not necessarily mean they are all equally true or false. (or nether true or false that statement is incoherent as stated)
Possible Category Error:
Treating physical effects and thoughts/evaluations/propositions in terms of truth or falsity. While both may be influenced by physical processes, they are not in the same category...
BUT - the claim is that the claim of the materialist(1) is guilty of everything being in one giant category under physics.
I have no idea if that is or is not an actual argument that anyone would actually make. Because, of course no such person is in his OV - rather he constructs the person making the argument in full to then argue against.
In other words... a construct strawman.
Also! If his argument is sound (it isn't) then that negates his argument... and that means that his argument can not be sound.
#apologists #faith #christ #god #logic #atheist #skepticSwitching the burden of proof 101: Evidence that God exists upload by Kiya PetersonDeconverted Man2024-04-06 | OV: youtube.com/watch?v=S_UoDOxKWo4
Is this the best you got?! LOL
Switch that burden of proof far, far away! Weeeee!
Yay I'm not talking about truth tables in this video!! HAHAHAAAA... well maybe I'll mention them...
ANYWAY. Jewish dude proves he has no proof as he rocks back and forth! Yay! Madness! Fun! Lets goooo!
#apologetics #faith #jewish #rabbi #god #proof #logic #atheist #skepticAtheist Experience puts out a bad argument PART TWO (Revenge of the truth table)Deconverted Man2024-03-22 | I HATE TRUTH TABLES.
PREPARE YOURSELF! This is the most disjointed video of all time ever!
Get your oven mits on for the face palms! If you don't yell at the screen at this guy, you are a better person then I!
Everyone does this thing (X). Everyone. Even if you don't! WHAT? Well see he said we all do. Oh. Yes no proof mind you. Just accept it. Yep. That's it the argument is everyone worships something.
.... therefor god.
No really that's the argument.
The proof is "You worship a thing - therefor god" that's the proof.
That's not proof.
That's not a sound argument.
I don't even know if we can call it an argument at all.
Do lobsters exist anymore? I can't tell. Help me. Someone help.
Oh no I've looked into the madness to long! AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
Faith is all about belief.
Science is all about proof.
#apologist #faith #god #faith #science #religion #logic #atheist #skepticChristianity implies ThralldomDeconverted Man2024-03-15 | I'm not going to be responding to this video: youtube.com/watch?v=ufY3PSI9of0 but I will be responding to the IDEA of the video. It will make sense (maybe) when you hear what I have to say here.
How does a non-world view imply anything?
How does the idea of anything leading to anything prove something to be true or false?
Where is the evidence FOR your ideas?
Well... apologetics my friends... its not about proving your right, it is about saying you are right.
Also I'm right.
... but its okay when I say that.