Uploaded February 2021 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago
Mike Winger tries to defend penal substitutionary atonement.
The original video:
youtube.com/watch?v=la0SkKC091s&t=1110s
Keep in mind, this was not intended to be a response to Mike's entire video - rather to a very specific portion of it dealing with the moral issues.
Many conservative Christians will try to poo poo the use of moral intuitions in these sorts of discussions, but it turns out that this just cuts off the very branch that they're sitting on to validate many of their own arguments. See here:
nonalchemist.wordpress.com/2020/10/11/conservative-christians-and-the-moral-argument
0:47 - See here for a discussion of this kind of thinking
apastasea.blogspot.com/2013/03/a-s-part-of-my-reflections-on-why.html
3:25 - Something is "fundamentally wrong" (in the sense that I'm using it here) if there is no state of affairs in which the action could be performed without there being at least some moral culpability involved.
4:30 - Quoted from here:
patheos.com/blogs/religionprof/2007/12/whats-wrong-with-penal-substitution.html
Mike Winger tries to defend penal substitutionary atonement.
The original video:
youtube.com/watch?v=la0SkKC091s&t=1110s
Keep in mind, this was not intended to be a response to Mike's entire video - rather to a very specific portion of it dealing with the moral issues.
Many conservative Christians will try to poo poo the use of moral intuitions in these sorts of discussions, but it turns out that this just cuts off the very branch that they're sitting on to validate many of their own arguments. See here:
nonalchemist.wordpress.com/2020/10/11/conservative-christians-and-the-moral-argument
0:47 - See here for a discussion of this kind of thinking
apastasea.blogspot.com/2013/03/a-s-part-of-my-reflections-on-why.html
3:25 - Something is "fundamentally wrong" (in the sense that I'm using it here) if there is no state of affairs in which the action could be performed without there being at least some moral culpability involved.
4:30 - Quoted from here:
patheos.com/blogs/religionprof/2007/12/whats-wrong-with-penal-substitution.html
