Uploaded June 2025 | Updated September 2026, 2 days ago
This week, we're excited to share with our community a bonus episode which recaps PERMISSIONLESS IV, which just took place this past week in Brooklyn, NY. While Santi and Jason are not in this episode, the episode does feature some of the biggest names in the Blockworks podcast family and we hope you enjoy all the alpha!
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SKALE is the next evolution in Layer 1 blockchains with a gas-free invisible user experience, instant finality, high speed, and robust security. SKALE is built different as it allows for limitless scalability and has already saved its 50 Million users over $11 Billion in gas fees.
SKALE is high-performance and cost-effective, making it ideal for compute-intensive applications like AI, gaming, and consumer-facing dApps. Learn more at https://skale.space and stay up to date with the gas-free invisible blockchain on X at @skalenetwork
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Katana is a DeFi-first chain built for deep liquidity and high yield. No empty emissions, just real yield and sequencer fees routed back to DeFi users.
Pre-deposit now: Earn high APRs with Turtle Club [app.turtle.club/campaigns/katana] or spin the wheel with Katana Krates [https://app.katana.network/krates]
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Ledger, the global leader in digital asset security, proudly sponsors Expansion! As Ledger celebrates 10 years of securing 20% of global crypto, it remains the top choice for securing your assets. Buy a LEDGER™ device now, and build confidently, knowing your BTC, ETH, SOL, and more are safe.
Buy now on shop.ledger.com/?r=1da180a5de00.
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Ledn is the leading platform for Bitcoin-backed loans, offering a secure and transparent way to unlock liquidity without selling your Bitcoin. Ledn has issued over $9 billion in loans since 2018 and has never lost a single satoshi of client assets, earning a reputation as the name you can trust in the crypto space.
Visit ledn.io to learn more.
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
01:21 Permissionless IV Takeaways
07:21 Big Industry Narrartives & Themes
12:24 Ads (Katana)
13:28 Stablecoins’ Future
19:05 Macro Outlook
22:08 Ads (Katana)
23:12 Big Tech Overloads
31:03 Predictions We Made That Were Wrong
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Disclaimer: Nothing said on Empire is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Santiago, Jason, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.
This week, we're excited to share with our community a bonus episode which recaps PERMISSIONLESS IV, which just took place this past week in Brooklyn, NY. While Santi and Jason are not in this episode, the episode does feature some of the biggest names in the Blockworks podcast family and we hope you enjoy all the alpha!
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Follow Jack: https://x.com/whosknave
Follow Empire: twitter.com/theempirepod
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SKALE is the next evolution in Layer 1 blockchains with a gas-free invisible user experience, instant finality, high speed, and robust security. SKALE is built different as it allows for limitless scalability and has already saved its 50 Million users over $11 Billion in gas fees.
SKALE is high-performance and cost-effective, making it ideal for compute-intensive applications like AI, gaming, and consumer-facing dApps. Learn more at https://skale.space and stay up to date with the gas-free invisible blockchain on X at @skalenetwork
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Katana is a DeFi-first chain built for deep liquidity and high yield. No empty emissions, just real yield and sequencer fees routed back to DeFi users.
Pre-deposit now: Earn high APRs with Turtle Club [app.turtle.club/campaigns/katana] or spin the wheel with Katana Krates [https://app.katana.network/krates]
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Ledger, the global leader in digital asset security, proudly sponsors Expansion! As Ledger celebrates 10 years of securing 20% of global crypto, it remains the top choice for securing your assets. Buy a LEDGER™ device now, and build confidently, knowing your BTC, ETH, SOL, and more are safe.
Buy now on shop.ledger.com/?r=1da180a5de00.
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Ledn is the leading platform for Bitcoin-backed loans, offering a secure and transparent way to unlock liquidity without selling your Bitcoin. Ledn has issued over $9 billion in loans since 2018 and has never lost a single satoshi of client assets, earning a reputation as the name you can trust in the crypto space.
Visit ledn.io to learn more.
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
01:21 Permissionless IV Takeaways
07:21 Big Industry Narrartives & Themes
12:24 Ads (Katana)
13:28 Stablecoins’ Future
19:05 Macro Outlook
22:08 Ads (Katana)
23:12 Big Tech Overloads
31:03 Predictions We Made That Were Wrong
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Disclaimer: Nothing said on Empire is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Santiago, Jason, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

![The Bull Market Confirmed | Weekly Roundup
Happy Friday, Yano and Santi are back for another roundup and we can officially say the bull market is back. From M&A, Pump’s ICO, and Santi and Yano’s market takes, this roundup dives deep into how to think about navigating in the 4th stage of the cycle!
Article Yano referenced - https://oldcoinbad.com/p/long-degeneracy
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GEODNET is the world’s largest RTK network, delivering real-time, centimeter-level precision for drones, robots, farmers, and first responders. Recognized by the U.S. Congress, this blockchain-powered network supports mission-critical applications across a wide range of industries.
Discover how GEODNET is changing the world: [https://geodnet.com]
Get up to speed on the biggest stories in crypto each week. In five minutes.
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Mantle is pioneering Blockchain for Banking as a revolutionary new category that sits at the intersection of TradFi and web3.
Key elements for Mantle as the Blockchain for Banking:
- Transactions posted to the blockchain
- Compatibility with TradFi rails
- Integrated DeFi features
UR, built by Mantle, is the first real-world example: an on-chain money app offering Swiss IBANs and unified access to fiat (EUR, CHF, USD, RMB) and crypto — bringing crypto into everyday finance.
Mantle Network, the access layer — transforms Mantle Network into a purpose-built vertical platform — the blockchain for banking — that enables financial services on-chain. Mantle leads the establishment of Blockchain for Banking as the next frontier.
Follow Mantle on X (@Mantle_Official) for the latest updates on Mantle as the Blockchain for Banking.
Zenrock is a permissionless, decentralized custody network backed by 1RoundTable Partners, 10T, Maven11, and Spartan. Live on Jupiter, $ROCK is the native token for transactions within the Zenrock ecosystem and secures Zenrock’s decentralized custody network.
The first application launching on Zenrock is zenBTC – yield-bearing Bitcoin on Solana. zenBTC is now live.
Citrea is the first zero-knowledge rollup to enhance the capabilities of Bitcoin blockspace and enable Bitcoin applications (₿apps). Citrea is optimistically verified by Bitcoin, offering the most Bitcoin-secured and native way to extend BTC’s utility to DeFi.
Learn more about Citrea: https://citrea.xyz/?utm_source=bellcurve&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=website_promo
Follow Citrea on X/Twitter for the latest on its journey to mainnet: https://x.com/citrea_xyz
Chapters:
02:25 Market Update
06:07 Stage 4 Of The Cycle
12:48 Ads (Geodnet, Bitwise)
14:25 Bitcoin & Ethereum
23:50 Pump’s ICO
32:24 Ads (Geodnet, Bitwise)
34:00 Crypto Bull Market
55:07 Ads (Mantle, Zenrock, ,Citrea)
57:20 M&A Updates
01:05:48 LQR House
01:08:15 Weekly Content Recs
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Disclaimer: Nothing said on Empire is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Santiago, Jason, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed. The Bull Market Confirmed | Weekly Roundup](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/K009oxS0qL0/mqdefault.jpg)

![The Ether Machine Chairman: Real Risk of DATs, Who Wins From Stripe & Circle’s Chains | Roundup
0For this week’s roundup, Andrew Keys, from The Ether Machine, joins Yano, Santi and Rob to dive into the unique value prop that The Ether Machine offers investors, his thoughts on the overall DAT landscape and how DATs, outside of BTC and ETH, are likely too far down the risk curve. They also discuss the rise and proliferation of private L1s like Stripe’s and Circle’s and explore who the winners and losers will be of these new projects.
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GEODNET is the world’s largest RTK network, delivering real-time, centimeter-level precision for drones, robots, farmers, and first responders. Recognized by the U.S. Congress, this blockchain-powered network supports mission-critical applications across a wide range of industries.
Discover how GEODNET is changing the world: [https://geodnet.com]
Get up to speed on the biggest stories in crypto each week. In five minutes.
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Mantle is pioneering Blockchain for Banking as a revolutionary new category that sits at the intersection of TradFi and web3.
Key elements for Mantle as the Blockchain for Banking:
- Transactions posted to the blockchain
- Compatibility with TradFi rails
- Integrated DeFi features
UR, built by Mantle, is the first real-world example: an on-chain money app offering Swiss IBANs and unified access to fiat (EUR, CHF, USD, RMB) and crypto — bringing crypto into everyday finance.
Mantle Network, the access layer — transforms Mantle Network into a purpose-built vertical platform — the blockchain for banking — that enables financial services on-chain. Mantle leads the establishment of Blockchain for Banking as the next frontier.
Follow Mantle on X (@Mantle_Official) for the latest updates on Mantle as the Blockchain for Banking.
Citrea is the first zero-knowledge rollup to enhance the capabilities of Bitcoin blockspace and enable Bitcoin applications (₿apps). Citrea is optimistically verified by Bitcoin, offering the most Bitcoin-secured and native way to extend BTC’s utility to DeFi.
Learn more about Citrea: https://citrea.xyz/?utm_source=bellcurve&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=website_promo
Follow Citrea on X/Twitter for the latest on its journey to mainnet: https://x.com/citrea_xyz
Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
02:06 Andrew Keys’ Background
03:24 Why ETH Not BTC
15:14 Why DATs
24:44 Ads (Geodnet, Bitwise)
26:21 Has The Vision Been Co-opted?
35:57 DAT Rollups + M&As
38:59 DATs Beyond BTC + ETH
43:03 Ads (Geodnet, Bitwise)
44:40 ETFs Are Flawed
50:34 Other Worthwhile Ecosystems
54:58 L1 Private Chain Launches
1:06:25 Ads (Mantle, Citrea)
1:08:04 Stripe’s L1 + Paradigm
1:13:32 Weekly Content Recs
Disclaimer: Nothing said on Empire is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Santiago, Jason, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed. The Ether Machine Chairman: Real Risk of DATs, Who Wins From Stripe & Circle’s Chains | Roundup](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/KHGEZf0TnzY/mqdefault.jpg)

![It’s A Bull Market But Not The One You Wanted With Rob Hadick & Santiago Santos | Weekly Roundup
Happy 4th of July to our stateside followers! On this episode, Rob Hadick joins Santi to review the biggest news of the week focusing in on stablecoins, Circle IPO butterfly effects, robinhood’s arbitrum tokenization announcement at Cannes at ECC, 12 month outlook and the biggest opportunities today in crypto.
Robs Stablecoin Article - https://x.com/HadickM/status/1934680037795705133
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GEODNET is the world’s largest RTK network, delivering real-time, centimeter-level precision for drones, robots, farmers, and first responders. Recognized by the U.S. Congress, this blockchain-powered network supports mission-critical applications across a wide range of industries.
Discover how GEODNET is changing the world: [https://geodnet.com]
Get up to speed on the biggest stories in crypto each week. In five minutes.
Get the Bitwise Weekly CIO Memo delivered directly to your inbox at bitwiseinvestments.com/ciomemo/empire
Ledger, the global leader in digital asset security, proudly sponsors Expansion! As Ledger celebrates 10 years of securing 20% of global crypto, it remains the top choice for securing your assets. Buy a LEDGER™ device now, and build confidently, knowing your BTC, ETH, SOL, and more are safe.
Buy now on https://shop.ledger.com/?r=1da180a5de00.
Citrea is the first zero-knowledge rollup to enhance the capabilities of Bitcoin blockspace and enable Bitcoin applications (₿apps). Citrea is optimistically verified by Bitcoin, offering the most Bitcoin-secured and native way to extend BTC’s utility to DeFi.
Learn more about Citrea: https://citrea.xyz/?utm_source=bellcurve&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=website_promo
Follow Citrea on X/Twitter for the latest on its journey to mainnet: https://x.com/citrea_xyz
CHAPTERS:
00:00 Intro
02:08 Stablecoin Sentiment & Insights
22:40 Ads (Geodnet, Bitwise)
24:16 Evolution of LPs
27:02 Robinhood At ECC
42:14 Ads (Geodnet, Bitwise)
43:51 Mirror Tokens Explained
47:32 Talking About Crypto With TradFi
59:56 Ads (Ledger, Citrea)
01:01:27 2025 Exceeds Expectations
01:03:18 12 Month Outlook
01:08:59 BIG Opportunities In Crypto
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Disclaimer: Nothing said on Empire is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Santiago, Jason, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed. It’s A Bull Market But Not The One You Wanted With Rob Hadick & Santiago Santos | Weekly Roundup](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Kis7dFabcNk/mqdefault.jpg)



![The State of Crypto, 2026 Predictions & Espressos Token Launch | Jill Gunter
This week, Jill Gunter from Espresso joins the show to discuss the state of crypto today. We deep dive into how has crypto evolved, why privacy matters, predictions for 2026, will Espresso launch a token & more. Enjoy!
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This Empire episode is brought to you by VanEck.
Learn more about the VanEck Onchain Economy ETF (NODE): http://vaneck.com/EmpireNODE
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GEODNET is the world’s largest RTK network, delivering real-time, centimeter-level precision for drones, robots, farmers, and first responders. Recognized by the U.S. Congress, this blockchain-powered network supports mission-critical applications across a wide range of industries.
Discover how GEODNET is changing the world: [https://geodnet.com]
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Timestamps
00:00 Introduction
02:44 The State of Crypto Today
10:21 How Has Crypto Evolved?
19:18 Ads (VanEck, Geodnet, Uniswap)
21:40 Why Privacy Matters
35:55 Who Wins In Crypto Infra?
45:56 Cryptos Identity Crisis
52:52 Predictions For 2026
55:49 When Will Espresso Launch A Token?
Disclaimer: Nothing said on Empire is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Santiago, Jason, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed. The State of Crypto, 2026 Predictions & Espressos Token Launch | Jill Gunter](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MD-zdhCfAPo/mqdefault.jpg)
