Love, power and public life. A conversation with Claire Gilbert & Mark Vernon @iammarkvernon
Love, power and public life. A conversation with Claire Gilbert & Mark Vernon  @iammarkvernon
Uploaded November 2023 | Updated September 2026, 1 day ago
What is the role of love in public life? Can it have a place given the scrutiny faced by leaders and the processes of bureaucracies? Or is love what we need to face the huge challenges of today, from distrust of public institutions to the environmental crisis?

Claire Gilbert is the author of several books, a fellow of Jesus College, Cambridge, has served on several public and advisory bodies, and is the Director of the Westminster Abbey Institute. In this conversation, we talk about soulfulness as well as morality in public life, for which Claire is convinced there is a deep yearning. We cover questions from how to design safe and inspiring places that allow people to ask about love of their work, to the role character, contemplation and vision.

We ask about how fear, despair and forgiveness might be part of a more loving approach to public life, as well as reconsidering the nature of power, which can be compassionate and stimulating as well as coercive.

This is part of series of conversations Mark is conducting as part of a project investigating how design might help nurture more loving relationships at a personal and social level.

For more on Claire see - westminster-abbey.org/abbey-biographies/dr-claire-foster-gilbert

00:00 Introductions
1:24 The longing for depth in public life
5:26 Spirit and moving beyond moral standards
7:27 Spaces of vulnerable
9:38 Procedures that screen the heart
10:59 Designing processes to foster love
12:50 The moral discomfort of public life
18:11 Cultivating soulful spaces
20:12 Love and the exercise of power
22:58 The role of the church
24:28 Vision, passion and popularism
27:18 The value of silence and meditation
28:41 Transcendence and intractable problems
32:41 Penitence and the ecological crisis
34:28 Learning from military rituals
38:24 Objectivising the environment and the buffered mindset
41:01 Transformation through communion
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Love, power and public life. A conversation with Claire Gilbert & Mark Vernon

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