Uploaded August 2023 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago
In this conversation with the producer and host of The Skeptic Zone podcast, Richard Saunders and I have a wide ranging discussion about one of my favorite topics—one that's been all over the news again—UFOs.
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Saunders and I have known each other since I attended my first CSICon in 2017, and we worked together on his unique investigation, The Great Australian Psychic Prediction Project, but never had a conversation on the subject of extraterrestrials and UFOs.
In this interview, you will learn that we were both once firm believers of extraterrestrial visitations, and you’ll learn what got us to change our minds. We talk about all the various reasons many people still believe that “they” are here despite the lack of tangible evidence. We ponder the mind of celebrity physicist Michio Kaku, who, regarding recent UFO reports, said that “the burden of proof has shifted. Now … the military has to prove that these aren’t extraterrestrial objects.”
Saunders and I also discuss the likelihood of any extraterrestrial civilization having the technical ability or opportunity to visit our planet, and we ruminate about the likelihood of any such civilization coming into existence in the first place. We also touch on the “What’s the Harm?” aspect in believing that aliens are here and the truth is being covered up.
To be clear, we skeptics are not claiming ETs are absolutely not here. We are just withholding belief until the quality of available evidence corresponds with the extraordinary nature of the claims. So, no! Evidence such as “a colleague told me that someone he knows said his friend’s friend knows that the government is in possession of ‘non-human biologics’” just doesn’t cut it as sufficient evidence, Mr. Grusch. Also, dear Professor Kaku, Mick West can explain to you why the U.S. Navy videos such as “Go Fast,” which you believe are proof of alien technology, actually don’t cut it either. So please take a look at his work or get in touch with him.
In this conversation with the producer and host of The Skeptic Zone podcast, Richard Saunders and I have a wide ranging discussion about one of my favorite topics—one that's been all over the news again—UFOs.
Register now to attend CSICon 2023: skepticalinquirer.org/csicon
Saunders and I have known each other since I attended my first CSICon in 2017, and we worked together on his unique investigation, The Great Australian Psychic Prediction Project, but never had a conversation on the subject of extraterrestrials and UFOs.
In this interview, you will learn that we were both once firm believers of extraterrestrial visitations, and you’ll learn what got us to change our minds. We talk about all the various reasons many people still believe that “they” are here despite the lack of tangible evidence. We ponder the mind of celebrity physicist Michio Kaku, who, regarding recent UFO reports, said that “the burden of proof has shifted. Now … the military has to prove that these aren’t extraterrestrial objects.”
Saunders and I also discuss the likelihood of any extraterrestrial civilization having the technical ability or opportunity to visit our planet, and we ruminate about the likelihood of any such civilization coming into existence in the first place. We also touch on the “What’s the Harm?” aspect in believing that aliens are here and the truth is being covered up.
To be clear, we skeptics are not claiming ETs are absolutely not here. We are just withholding belief until the quality of available evidence corresponds with the extraordinary nature of the claims. So, no! Evidence such as “a colleague told me that someone he knows said his friend’s friend knows that the government is in possession of ‘non-human biologics’” just doesn’t cut it as sufficient evidence, Mr. Grusch. Also, dear Professor Kaku, Mick West can explain to you why the U.S. Navy videos such as “Go Fast,” which you believe are proof of alien technology, actually don’t cut it either. So please take a look at his work or get in touch with him.
