Uploaded September 2026 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago
Modernism was condemned by Pope St. Pius X—but is it still alive and well in the Vatican today?
In this episode of Church and State, Brian McCall and Chris Ferrara discuss Pope Leo XIV’s recent statements about the development of doctrine, the “synodal Church,” and the search for truth. They examine whether this language represents a legitimate development of Catholic doctrine—or a dangerous relativization of the Faith.
The discussion then turns to the post-Vatican II crisis, the collapse of moral consensus, the Church’s teaching on sexual morality, and the growing conflict between traditional Catholicism and the modernist mentality.
The conversation also moves into the political realm, examining the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision concerning President Trump’s proposed White House ballroom, judicial activism, separation of powers, and the state of the American Republic.
Ultimately, both the Church and the Republic face serious crises—but there is one crucial difference: the Church has Christ’s promise that the gates of Hell will not prevail against Her.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 – Is Modernism Alive and Well in the Vatican?
05:00 – Pope Leo XIV and the Development of Doctrine
10:00 – The “Synodal Church” and the Search for Truth
15:00 – Vatican II, the Post-Conciliar Revolution and Moral Laxism
20:00 – The Supreme Court, Trump and the White House Ballroom
25:00 – The Crisis in Church and State
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The Fatima Center’s mission is to ensure that the entire Message of Fatima is fully and widely known, accurately understood, and properly acted upon so that Our Lady’s purpose in coming to Fatima – the salvation of souls and the prevention of catastrophic chastisements – may be realized.
Directed since 1978 by Fr. Nicholas Gruner († 2015), The Fatima Center remains faithful to this mission today.
Music Attribution
“Sad Violin Solo” by Art Roseman
Music by: Art Roseman
Source: Pixabay
Audio ID: 571959
Licensed under the Pixabay Content License.
Modernism was condemned by Pope St. Pius X—but is it still alive and well in the Vatican today?
In this episode of Church and State, Brian McCall and Chris Ferrara discuss Pope Leo XIV’s recent statements about the development of doctrine, the “synodal Church,” and the search for truth. They examine whether this language represents a legitimate development of Catholic doctrine—or a dangerous relativization of the Faith.
The discussion then turns to the post-Vatican II crisis, the collapse of moral consensus, the Church’s teaching on sexual morality, and the growing conflict between traditional Catholicism and the modernist mentality.
The conversation also moves into the political realm, examining the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision concerning President Trump’s proposed White House ballroom, judicial activism, separation of powers, and the state of the American Republic.
Ultimately, both the Church and the Republic face serious crises—but there is one crucial difference: the Church has Christ’s promise that the gates of Hell will not prevail against Her.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 – Is Modernism Alive and Well in the Vatican?
05:00 – Pope Leo XIV and the Development of Doctrine
10:00 – The “Synodal Church” and the Search for Truth
15:00 – Vatican II, the Post-Conciliar Revolution and Moral Laxism
20:00 – The Supreme Court, Trump and the White House Ballroom
25:00 – The Crisis in Church and State
If you found this episode helpful, please like, subscribe, and share to help spread the truth about the Catholic Faith and the Message of Fatima.
Pray the Rosary every day, make the First Five Saturdays, and do penance for sinners as Our Lady requested at Fatima.
The Message of Fatima is the ONLY solution to the grave crises facing the Church and the world today. LEARN MORE about Our Lady's Message: » fatima.org
Please help us spread the saving Message of Our Lady of Fatima.
Donate to Our Lady’s Apostolate Today! » fatima.org/donate
Subscribe and stay up-to-date on the latest shows.
Contact Us:
» PHONE: 1-800-263-8160
» EMAIL: info@fatima.org
Follow Us:
» FACEBOOK: fb.com/TheFatimaCenter
» INSTAGRAM: instagram.com/the_fatimacenter
» TWITTER: twitter.com/TheFatimaCenter
» RUMBLE: rumble.com/thefatimacenter
» PODCAST: fatima.org/podcast
The Fatima Center’s mission is to ensure that the entire Message of Fatima is fully and widely known, accurately understood, and properly acted upon so that Our Lady’s purpose in coming to Fatima – the salvation of souls and the prevention of catastrophic chastisements – may be realized.
Directed since 1978 by Fr. Nicholas Gruner († 2015), The Fatima Center remains faithful to this mission today.
Music Attribution
“Sad Violin Solo” by Art Roseman
Music by: Art Roseman
Source: Pixabay
Audio ID: 571959
Licensed under the Pixabay Content License.
