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Landon Dyer started as a software engineer in the Atari home computer division in 1982, where he specialized in converting arcade games to the Atari 8-bits. There, he programmed the Atari 400/800 versions of Donkey Kong, and Super Pac Man — which was never officially released by Atari (but has been widely available for many years.) After the Tramiels bought Atari, he worked on the Atari ST, including BIOS boot code and the floppy disk driver. Landon’s blog, at DadHacker.com, has many interesting posts about his Atari days.
This interview took place December 9, 2015.
Teaser quotes:
“In many ways, Atari marketing was completely divorced from the process of making games. They didn’t understand what programmers did, they didn’t understand what manufacturing cycles were.”
“To get ROMs made inside of Atari you had to go through a mastering lab. So basically you’d hand a couple of guys disks. They would disappear into their lab, smoke some dope, and come out with ROMs. And often, keep the disks.”
Link
Landon's web site: dadhacker.com/blog/?p=987
Landon Dyer started as a software engineer in the Atari home computer division in 1982, where he specialized in converting arcade games to the Atari 8-bits. There, he programmed the Atari 400/800 versions of Donkey Kong, and Super Pac Man — which was never officially released by Atari (but has been widely available for many years.) After the Tramiels bought Atari, he worked on the Atari ST, including BIOS boot code and the floppy disk driver. Landon’s blog, at DadHacker.com, has many interesting posts about his Atari days.
This interview took place December 9, 2015.
Teaser quotes:
“In many ways, Atari marketing was completely divorced from the process of making games. They didn’t understand what programmers did, they didn’t understand what manufacturing cycles were.”
“To get ROMs made inside of Atari you had to go through a mastering lab. So basically you’d hand a couple of guys disks. They would disappear into their lab, smoke some dope, and come out with ROMs. And often, keep the disks.”
Link
Landon's web site: dadhacker.com/blog/?p=987

![Doug Carlston, Broderbund CEO — interview
Doug Carlston was co-founder and CEO of the software publisher Broderbund.
Broderbund published many hits across several platforms, including Bank Street Writer, Print Shop, A.E., Choplifter, Lode Runner, Karateka, Spelunker, Davids Midnight Magic, and Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego.
This interview occurred March 5, 2015.
AtariMania.coms list of Br0derbund games: http://www.atarimania.com/list_games_atari-400-800-xl-xe-broderbund-software_publisher_1119_8_G.html
Teaser quotes:
So we thought itd be funny to call it Br0derbund and put a slash through the O. Caused all kinds of grief.
There was a competition between us and a number of other companies like Sierra Online and Sirius Software to see how many [products] we could get on the best seller list at the same time. I think maybe the best we ever did was something like 6 products out of 30.
It was kind of a game: we had very talented engineers in-house who loved to try to put copy protection on, and sometimes carried it to unfortunate lengths.
I drove across the country and back over 5 weeks and sold about $15,000 worth of software, and often ended up staying at the homes of the people who owned the little computer stores. I would just look up a name of a computer store in every town I went through and zigzag across the country. Doug Carlston, Broderbund CEO — interview](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/rmUTWo3nhcM/mqdefault.jpg)


![Gary Walton, Atari store owner and software pirate — interview
Gary Walton owned Discount Video And Computers, a large Atari dealership in Fort Pierce, Florida, and was involved in the Atari software piracy scene. Gary is one of the people who helped me find Glenn the 5200 Man, whom I previously interviewed.
This interview took place on September 12, 2015. The New York Yankees lost both games in their double-header with the Toronto Blue Jays that day.
This interview contains adult language and content.
Teaser quotes:
“One day I call up there and I don’t get ahold of him, instead I get ahold of his mother. And I was like, ‘Yes ma’am, may I please speak with Robert [Jaeger]?’ And she’s like ‘Who are you?!’ ‘I’m a friend of Robert’s.’ ... ‘Are you one of those computer pirates?! You know, these computer pirates are getting Robert in trouble and he’s only 16 years old. He doesn’t need this type of trouble!’ screaming at me.”
“They were accusing him of having robbed more than $150,000 worth of phone services.”
“‘Tell you what we’re going to do. I want you to put your disk collection in one big box. And it better be everything!’ He goes, ‘And I’m going to be by your house in 15 minutes to pick up that box.’” Gary Walton, Atari store owner and software pirate — interview](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/tDywVCrm2Jo/mqdefault.jpg)
![The Famous Computer Cafe 1984-11-18 Howard Goldberg (PlayNET)
The Famous Computer Cafe 1984-11-18 Howard Goldberg of PlayNET. This episode aired on KFOX.
Digitized from reel-to-reel tape by Harbor Digitizing of Friday Harbor, Washington.
The Famous Computer Cafe recovery and digitization project was done by Kay Savetz in 2024. If you have access to other episodes of Famous Computer Cafe on tape, please contact Kay Savetz.
0:00 [Title Promo] Famous Computer Cafe brought to you by The Software Spot.
1:07 [Opening] Announcement of the shows participants: Ellen Walker, Andy Velcoff, Michael Walker, Howard Goldberg (President of PlayNET), Dave Johnson, Paul and Sarah Edwards, Dr. Disk.
2:53 [Commercial] The Software Spot featuring Lotus Symphony
3:31 Mail-in Contest for Commodore 64 or dinner for two.
6:00 Interview with Howard Goldberg, president of PlayNET a new online network service. PlayNET targets users who want to connect and play games online utilizing graphics instead of just text. Michael and Howard discuss rate structures; Local access numbers.
14:30 [Commercial] How to Make Money with Your Computer book by Paul and Sarah Edwards
15:43 [Promo] Coping with Stress by Psicomp for Apple II autograph party at Van Nuys Computerland
16:40 Continuation of interview with Howard Goldberg. Michael and Howard discuss features: online gaming, electronic mail, greeting cards (in future). Talk about social aspects of the service.
23:52 Personal Computer News with Rick Burnett: Microsoft delayed Windows until June 1995; IBM TopView to be introduced 3 months before Windows; Compaq and Fortune earnings down; Visicorp will merge with Paladin Software Corporation.
27:27 The New Age Journal - Win Win video games (co-operative) article
28:25 Continuation of interview with Howard Goldberg. Starting a computer based business. Affordable pricing rates of PlayNET ($2 per hour after monthly $6 subscription fee. Initial software $29.95). Hardware requirements: Commodore 64, disk drive, modem. May expand to other machines in the future.
38:38 The New Age Journal - Toybrary
39:39 Continuation of interview with Howard Goldberg. Future plans.
44:55 IBM correspondent Dave Johnson on helping others with using a PC. Menu/task building software Starburst (MicroPro).
47:32 [Commercial] Dollars and Sense by Monogram available at The Software Spot.
48:10 Paul and Sarah Edwards on making money with micro computers by monitoring stock portfolios.
51:38 Andy Velcoff: The Seven Cities of Gold by Electronic Arts
54:50 [Commercial] Zork I, II, III by Infocom at Simply Software in Manhattan Beach
56:00 Outro
57:36 end The Famous Computer Cafe 1984-11-18 Howard Goldberg (PlayNET)](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/tI7LReoDdO4/mqdefault.jpg)
![Jon Greer, Atari journalist — interview
In this interview, we’ll hear the perspective of an Atari outsider — a newspaper reporter who covered Atari. Jon Greer was a business reporter for the San Jose Mercury News newspaper from 1981 to 1986, and business reporter for the San Francisco Chronicle from 1986 to 1988. As part of his beat, he covered Atari; Chuck E. Cheese; and Catalyst Technologies, Nolan Bushnell’s incubator.
This interview took place April 17, 2015.
Teaser quotes:
“Atari was transforming the valley from Dull Engineer Valley to exciting consumer electronics valley.”
“I think Jack [Tramiel] had...a very undeserved bad reputation...He was one of the few guys — if anybody, maybe the only one - who knew how to take over this business.” Jon Greer, Atari journalist — interview](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uNAUTGb0IRk/mqdefault.jpg)

![John Schulte and Feridoon Moinian, Dorsett Educational Systems — Interview
John Schulte and Feridoon Moinian were both employees at Dorsett Educational Systems, the company that created the Talk And Teach educational cassette tapes which were sold by Atari. Dorsett also sold many more cassette-based classes directly via mail order, for the Atari, TRS-80 Color Computer, and other platforms. Feridoon worked primarily as a programmer, and John was primarily an editor.
As my co-interviewer for this discussion, I invited Thomas Cherryhomes, an expert in the technical aspects of the Talk and Teach system. I interviewed Thomas previously on this podcast, in ANTIC interview 57.
Nearly every educational cassette tape that Dorsett released for the Atari has been digitized, they’ll all available at Archive.org, there’s a link in the show notes at AtariPodcast.com.
This interview took place on June 25, 2015.
Teaser quote:
“He [Loyd Dorsett] would tell them, “Shall we go have lunch now?’ Yes. ‘OK, let’s go downstairs and we’ll have some lunch.’ He’d take them downstairs, and on top of the little five-foot refrigerator was a Styrofoam cup that had 10 Cents written on it. That was 10 cents that you’d do on the honor system to buy a packet of Cup of Soup. ... This is the way he would entertain people because you were stuck out in the middle of nowhere, it was 20 minutes to get to a restaurant. But he would actually pull coins out of his pocket and say ‘My treat.’”
Interview with Thomas Cherryhomes: http://ataripodcast.libsyn.com/antic-interview-57-thomas-cherryhomes
Dorsett Educational Cassette Tape Archive: https://archive.org/details/@savetz?and[]=dorsett%20educational John Schulte and Feridoon Moinian, Dorsett Educational Systems — Interview](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/urZz71PjTBE/mqdefault.jpg)

