AgentJayZ
Turbine Engine Heat Damage
updated
It only makes sense, right?
Common sense would dictate...
Seems like the best way to do it...
I don't see why they wouldn't do that...
Well, let's have just a little think...
Hey, look at this! One of my favorite channels, by a real airliner pilot, put out a video on this same subject... youtu.be/9l7XO42lmhw?si=Y7kl0VjwmqNWFQ71
Also, this may be your big chance.
Do not send you info to me.
Watch the video, and follow the instructions...
Direct your inquiries to the man doing the hiring. His name is Dane.
Here is an informative discussion of exhaust nozzles. I found it accurate but dull.
youtu.be/Nxw1HZj-b74?si=6KrfgOzYdIaONh5k
They were weird, groovy, and vital to comply with the law.
I wish I had one!
Some copy/paste links...
The video that sparked the question:
youtube.com/watch?v=C0umWIPCPd4&t=965s at 15:58 aircrew is inspecting the exhaust mixer.
My video called Turbojet or Turbofan: youtu.be/AtqXfzHz_b8?si=1zdJZ0PxWq-WIbOA
A video about the new "ejector" hush kit for the RR Spey engines in a Gulfstream:
youtu.be/LyiMg6SaYsE?si=KugJpkdVlhVFcgY7
A great shot of an old Air New Zealand 737 with ejector hush kits ( with thrust reversers ) on it's JT8D engines... https://fb.watch/rKqVt87BhA/
Links:
The video which sparked the question...
Oil Pump Rebuilding and Testing : youtu.be/moQC6J2SaBo
Jet Engine Lube Pump Overhaul: youtu.be/AxqB9D0mX5U
Jet Engine Lube System: youtu.be/WAia8PwMvQM
I will include video examples of as many that I can, and here are some links to other vids:
The Blackbird start cart: thesr71blackbird.com/Aircraft/Engines
RR Avons in a Canberra: cartridge fed turbine starter:
youtu.be/v4w85CeWOus?si=HAj_6NprIxs0EknZ
The F-22 startup, featuring a cartridge start of a small starter engine. The video has been edited to cut out the windup of the main engine. I don't know why they did that.
youtu.be/U9l_NnvsB-g?si=QJA7_aXLtX2zH8-O
My video on the air turbine starter with a radial inflow turbine:
youtu.be/G28OlUqpUfE?si=YFIqBNnyFK9jxQXZ
My video about air turbine starters with axial flow turbines
youtu.be/NOdeSOHpXYA?si=KDVXGXYiHXtPEPZV
My video about the our start cart containing a Garrett GTC 85:
youtu.be/4seex64vGlE?si=fhn3PbTJpaQH7YU0
bonus: youtu.be/KHJYMWBEKyo?si=euIKspc_KU4w1sTe
My suggestions are:
1- better identification of each part
2- using accurate names for those parts
3- clearer and more detailed instructions for assembly
4- a more meaningful and educational description of what the PT6 is, and how it is used.
As promised, the best re-write of the description of the PT6 will be contacted by me for an address to send the complete kit, free of any charges.
I will review the submissions, which must be original and not a copy from another source... and I will be the sole judge for this contest.
send your 1 page or less description to joljbc@yahoo.com
The kit is produced by Skymechman, and sold by EngineDIY
The supplied instructions and the description are both here:
docs.google.com/document/d/1jNvol3vRwHSd5y0MOMgg9epYzAE8KojX/edit?ref=8w3whxyg#heading=h.gjdgxs
The model kit supplier is here:
enginediy.com/en-ca/collections/skymech/products/pta6-turboprop-engine-model-kit-build-your-own-turboprop-engine-that-works-3d-printing-diy-aircraft-100pcs
I try to explain the differences between fuel pumps, transfer pumps, and boost pumps.
Feel free to post what you think I mean by "that one thing".
Also: what's wrong with this picture?
Sent to Jet City Turbine Services, Inc. for review, is a scale model cutaway for display of a Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6 turboprop engine.
Produced by Skymechman, and sold by EngineDIY
Here is the link to the kit:
enginediy.com/en-ca/collections/skymech/products/pta6-turboprop-engine-model-kit-build-your-own-turboprop-engine-that-works-3d-printing-diy-aircraft-100pcs
Here are the assembly instructions:
docs.google.com/document/d/1jNvol3vRwHSd5y0MOMgg9epYzAE8KojX/edit?ref=8w3whxyg#heading=h.gjdgxs
This is the video that the question is about: youtu.be/7upnkrhqRWQ
Also: youtu.be/TzwMumR3I30
For more, go to my channel page and put cooling air in the search feature.
I must confess that I am a sound addict, and I have been self-diagnosed with a fairly serious loudspeaker fetish. Hey, the shop has a 6 speaker transmission line system, supported by a 950W subwoofer.
Produced by Skymechman, and sold by EngineDIY
Here is the link to the kit:
enginediy.com/en-ca/collections/skymech/products/pta6-turboprop-engine-model-kit-build-your-own-turboprop-engine-that-works-3d-printing-diy-aircraft-100pcs
Here are the assembly instructions:
docs.google.com/document/d/1jNvol3vRwHSd5y0MOMgg9epYzAE8KojX/edit?ref=8w3whxyg#heading=h.gjdgxs
It's a simple answer, with, as always, complications.
Comments are always welcome.
This event is part of my philosophy and motivation to always do my best work.
Here is the NTSB report: ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/AAR9706.pdf
A good prequel to this vid is here: youtu.be/RyZRzdt4Zng
And have a look at this: After the door plug blew out of the Alaska Airlines 737 Max 9, the FAA put out an emergency airworthiness directive, requiring inspection of the mounting hardware for the door plugs on all 737 Max 9s. United found this on several of its aircraft. The screws pictured here mount the door plug lower hinges to the airframe. twitter.com/ByERussell/status/1744460136855294106/photo/1
Wow, those are in the process of departing their service position.
This will be an easy fix, and lives will be saved.
More details: theaircurrent.com/feed/dispatches/united-finds-loose-bolts-on-plug-doors-during-737-max-9-inspections
Here's the link to the video I mention which features a look at an LM1600 PT
youtu.be/tEnKfJ5A65o
I have a playlist all about power turbines that you may enjoy: " Power Turbines and what they do... "
People are depending on us.
If you work on or with the F-135 engine, maybe you can share a bit of info.
If you are not in the know, but think you might have an idea... post at your own risk.
The basic question is "where does the power go?", when the lift fan is disengaged.
If you ignore that point, well...
This is an aircraft engine, which we have overhauled for the owner/operator.
While restoring one, I had all the pieces in place to show how turbine cooling air gets where it is needed.
Other videos about cooling air, by title. Copy into the search box on my channel page...
Working on a Turbojet: 3 -Turbine Cooling Air
Air-Cooled Blades - Turbine Engines: A Closer Look
Cooling Air 3 - Rear Bearing
Combustor Liners - Turbine Engines: A Closer Look
Heat, upon HEAT. Why turbine temp is so important.
Cool Your Jets
As usual, the answer is not simple. It depends on a lot of things...
Here is a video featuring Paul Keppler in his Orenda powered Sabre Jet.
I've worked on his engine, and I can tell you it's in great shape.
" F-86 Sabre Aerobatics - No Music! - Airshow London 2018 "
youtu.be/x5ccK94IvsA
I wasn't sure what exactly was meant, so I took a guess.
The thumbnail for this vid is the flame holder in the afterburner section of our Orenda Iroquois.
Yes it is.
How would you restart an engine in flight if you had no power to the starter?
Well... let's think about that for a minute.
Is it bad for the engines to be turning like that?
This a popular question.
Here are some other response videos I've made:
youtu.be/b9DYsyhi7bQ Another Way To Get There
youtu.be/C8J8roji0xo So You Want To Work On Jets...
youtu.be/Z4yfkQnFr6U Design and Build a Jet Engine yourself
youtu.be/EprYbbRpcNo Restoring Your Own Jet Engine
Here are the links to several of my videos dealing with subjects mentioned in this video.
Turbojet Start Sequence: youtu.be/vTHSXcvCFlM
Hot Start: youtu.be/axR5kiZWaYc
Cool Your Jets: youtu.be/O49EwwUaSsk
To see a broken blade, have a look at Removing Blades J47 Turbojet here: youtu.be/kzWBBiKqyyA
Turbine Engine Heat Damage: youtu.be/KqgZpy8rsvE
This is the acceptance run in June 2023.
This is the same engine as featured in my August 2013 video "Sabre Jet Engine first start"
the link to it is here: youtu.be/wRH0eDrNjSY
One is in for a fuel system overhaul, and the other is being restored from the ground up.
Every component and system is checked, and today it's the ignition system.
The Orenda is also used as an industrial gas generator, where it drives a power turbine to produce about 9 thousand Hp. The test run shown here is of an industrial Orenda, used to make power for an offshore oil platform in another part of the world.
Everything went well. Tourbillon Turbines has a 100% reliability record. They have never had any failures in service.
I don't have access to airliners or their operating instructions, so I really encourage pilots and others familiar with engine operations in airliners to tell their stories here!
The first start video of #2920 is here: youtu.be/wRH0eDrNjSY
The comparison vid between a Sabre cockpit and our test cell is here: youtu.be/JKXr68QPzZU
Interconnectors are part of the design in can-type combustion sections, and in can-annular, so almost all jet engines up until about 1970 or so. There are some notable exceptions, and I want you to mention them in the comments.
The engine could not run without these, but they are only functional during startup. While running, they do nothing.
This one is an actual Disaster, instead of the much preferred Near Miss.
we can all learn from this, eh?
If you have had an experience with either a close call or a disaster, please share it!
Plus bonus comment.
A few people have mentioned that the flame holder looks like it gets in the way of gas flow.
Remember the gas velocity is not so great there. In the jet pipe, there is some pressure and some speed. As the gas exits the pipe, the accelerating nozzle converts the pressure to a huge increase in speed, and that acceleration of the exhaust is how thrust is made.
Since it is located well upstream of the accelerating nozzle, the losses caused by the flame holder are minimal.
Editor's update: I have tried the Feather brand blades, and they are a big improvement.
They are more confidence inspiring, because they seem to work so much better.
Thanks for the recommendations!
It's called Dropped into a Turbine Engine, and this is the story of how it came to be.
If you want to hear an experimental dubstep composition using the sounds from "Dropped", check out "Ghost Turbine" by Skenik on YouTube: youtu.be/sF4oupAOpwQ?si=0iTxeF3isyS6H9rj
Turbinophone page here: http://www.turbinophone.com
Tickling the Teeth of the Dragon: youtu.be/vMeA6Naot8w
The full tour of the J79 cutaway: youtu.be/Or6mIaSWZ8g
the report I'm referring to is here: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transair_Flight_810
Why did it take so long? I asked that first.
This is a project completed in Summer of 2021 that was never used.
It's also a good follow up to my video called How to Start a Jet Engine.
This one is liquid fueled, running on JetA1.
The total running time over these days was a little over one hour, with quite a bit of idling, and maybe 3 or 4 minutes of max power.
Our fuel consumption was a bit under 500 imperial gallons.
If you notice, there is no smoke in the exhaust at all.
This vid is the latest addition to my playlist called The Mighty Olympus. It's on my channel page, or you can use this link address:
youtube.com/playlist?list=PLE5I9ZZNPu1OsE9RZALWujQO54z77n3sd
Watch the original "Compressors" here: youtu.be/CXSi4GXUojo
Also, the compressor stall video is here: youtu.be/yaFeO6Jze64
and the follow up Q&A video is here: youtu.be/xzdpkIibwBM
A lot of viewers are thinking this system has a weak spot at the crimped-on ferrule.
The ferrule is not the weak spot. The wire needs to be tight enough to avoid vibrating and wear, but it does not hold the torque of the bolt. The wire is there to keep the bolt from winding out and becoming a loose piece of debris that could cause a lot of damage.
The wire is not strong enough to apply the proper torque to the bolt. That's not what it's for.
Every time a safety cable is removed for disassembly, the cable breaks. Even if the ferrule itself is gripped by the pliers and force is applied, the cable breaks, but the ferrule never comes off. I've never seen it happen.
Following a suggestion made by many viewers, I went to the DMC site, and watched the vid on their version of this tool. Seems like a quality unit. I don't think I would use the wire tensioning handle, because of the 90 degree corner the cable is pulled through.
I'd have to try it though.
Interesting for a safety wire manufacturer, the comparison they make to using standard lock wire is a joke. They include three gigantic mistakes:
1- Using lineman's pliers instead of lockwire pliers.
2- The wire is incorrectly twisted from the starting bolt, in a way that would allow the wire to slip over the bolt head.
3- The pliers are placed where they will leave a mark, or nick in the wire as it enters the second bolt.
Let's talk about why that is, OK?
Here is the link to the the video mentioned here:
youtu.be/lpdPiBQ-H3M
I hope you enjoy.
To get right up close, try looking at my other videos featuring this afterburning turbojet monster of an engine.
Today we have a couple of pumps used by an LM1500, which as you may already know by now, is the ground running version of the GE J79.
If you enjoy this more detailed, long format video, you really should check out Patreon.com/AgentJayZ...
This video is not about that. Probably as opposite as can be.
For your enjoyment, we made as much noise as possible, using multiple afterburner pulls, and burning prodigious amounts of JetA.
The Jet fuel hoax crowd are idiots; every moronic one of them.
This is a J79-19, normally installed in a supersonic aircraft used to train military pilots in a dissimilar adversary environment... yes, exactly like Top Gun.
Other models, such as the J79-15, were used in the F-4 Phantom 2.
The -11 was used in the early F-104 Starfighters.
It was sent to us for overhaul and made new again by the boys at S&S Turbines: Clayton, Justin, and Walter. The operator is Electron Bill.
The engine burns:
5 gal per minute of fuel at idle. 5000 rpm.
35-40 gpm at full dry power. 7685 rpm. Nominally 11,500 lbs of static thrust
85-90 gpm in full afterburner. 7685 rpm. Nominally 18,300 lbs of static thrust
Each engine's actual number vary, depending on many factors...
The engine uses 155 lbs of air per second at both of those max settings.
The extra 50 gpm in AB is used to "reheat" the exhaust of the basic engine, making it hotter, and expanding more, so it leaves the engine much faster.
This day, we were running for about 30 minutes, with a lot of idling, which I cut out. We burned through 1,800 Litres of JetA. Good thing we bought 4,000L from the airport, which they delivered to our tank.
According to our instrumentation guy, the thrust was about half what I expected, because only one of the two (left and right) load cells on the engine mounts was connected.
The AB does not sound louder in the vid, but it is in real life. The mic is a lapel unit, inside a high density foam shield, and the shield is placed inside a Pelican case, on the ground, about 70 yards back and to the side. You can see the position of the tripod, showing why it is not blown away: it's not in the jet stream. In that setup, the mic is completely overwhelmed at or even before max dry power.
I try to explain how dangerously loud the noise is in my video "Testing a J79 with Afterburner"
Please let me know if you like this non-talking video.
A few links:
Blancolirio is a 777 captain with a great YT channel
Mentour Pilot is another airliner pilot with a great channel
And check out the Wikipedia page for Aircraft noise pollution,
as well as the page for the JT8D engine.
This video is generating a lot of comments that are either totally clueless, or are simply restating the completely obvious. Such comments will be discarded at my leisure.
For further info, check out these vids:
Testing a Starfighter Engine youtu.be/Bxkt2vx9EOQ
Also, you might like this one: Starfighter Engine Run youtu.be/8dpmlu4Gd0U
I was planning to live the experience, instead of trying to document it on video, but I had my phone, and managed to get a few good shots.
If you've read this far, there's a secret contest: the first person who tells me what is very unusual about something shown in this video (the thing I'm thinking about), will win an award, yet to be decided.
Update: The contest ended on Aug 12. I am very impressed with Open Mind, for noticing the N2 and N1 were reading opposite to what I expected in the startup sequence in the L-39.
Check out the Power Turbine video referenced here: youtu.be/tEnKfJ5A65o
Also: youtu.be/wIxHp_FazQQ
The Wiki page for the RR Tyne: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Tyne
This engine is a Tyne RM-1C
A video about our Air Dyno: youtu.be/yY73rm7FZhM
And if you are wondering about my mangled finger, I messed up a jump on my MTB, was going about 35 Km/hr, the front started dropping, then I hit a tree with my shoulder, and after flying about 15m while pitching and yawing, I landed on my head and punched the planet with my left hand. I was wearing those cycling gloves, which didn't cover the impact zone. Tore off some skin, helmet saved my noggin, and no real damage to me or the bike. Yay!
I've watched a few videos on the subject, and here are my thoughts.


