Uploaded February 2026 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago
We live in a world that rewards polish—good vibes, tidy narratives, “nothing to see here.”
Kate Bowler sits down with poet Kate Baer (author of What Kind of Woman and I Hope This Finds You Well) to talk about the courage of honesty: motherhood that doesn’t feel magical, bodies that won’t cooperate, marriages with “holes at the knees,” and the holy relief of hearing someone say the true thing—and letting everyone else finally say: same.
We live in a world that rewards polish—good vibes, tidy narratives, “nothing to see here.”
Kate Bowler sits down with poet Kate Baer (author of What Kind of Woman and I Hope This Finds You Well) to talk about the courage of honesty: motherhood that doesn’t feel magical, bodies that won’t cooperate, marriages with “holes at the knees,” and the holy relief of hearing someone say the true thing—and letting everyone else finally say: same.
