G. P. Xavier | Jordan Hall's Dionysian Christianity? (Response to 'But Why Christianity?') @gpxavier | Uploaded October 2024 | Updated October 2024, 3 hours ago.
This is a video response to the excellent dialogue between @JordanGreenhall, @johnvervaeke and @JonathanPageau:
But Why Christianity? – John Vervaeke, Jordan Hall, Jonathan Pageau
youtube.com/watch?v=Vp_08T0Ucik
What Jordan Hall said about immersion into life with all its intrinsic and meaningful suffering struck me as incredibly Dionysian (in the Nietzschean sense). The question to my mind is: but is it Christian?
The dialogue seems to revolve around the issue of immersion versus escape, with Christianity being cast as the former—but is this accurate? Isn't it essential to Christianity that it rejects the world as it is for the sake of a world that 'should' be? Isn't it also an escapism? It seems this elevation of morality above the world is a big problem if the hoped-for world cannot be.
Timestamps:
0:00 – Introduction
5:29 – Clip of Jordan Hall on immersion in reality
9:02 – Nietzsche quote on Dionysus vs. the Crucified
17:36 – Total vs. partial affirmation of life
22:53 – Suffering affirmed as part of life or as means of redemption
35:40 – Clips of Jonathan Pageau on self-sacrificial love
43:55 – Will to power vs. self-sacrificial love as fundamental
1:09:03 – Morality as relative vs. ultimate
1:19:01 – Concluding thoughts and questions
This is a video response to the excellent dialogue between @JordanGreenhall, @johnvervaeke and @JonathanPageau:
But Why Christianity? – John Vervaeke, Jordan Hall, Jonathan Pageau
youtube.com/watch?v=Vp_08T0Ucik
What Jordan Hall said about immersion into life with all its intrinsic and meaningful suffering struck me as incredibly Dionysian (in the Nietzschean sense). The question to my mind is: but is it Christian?
The dialogue seems to revolve around the issue of immersion versus escape, with Christianity being cast as the former—but is this accurate? Isn't it essential to Christianity that it rejects the world as it is for the sake of a world that 'should' be? Isn't it also an escapism? It seems this elevation of morality above the world is a big problem if the hoped-for world cannot be.
Timestamps:
0:00 – Introduction
5:29 – Clip of Jordan Hall on immersion in reality
9:02 – Nietzsche quote on Dionysus vs. the Crucified
17:36 – Total vs. partial affirmation of life
22:53 – Suffering affirmed as part of life or as means of redemption
35:40 – Clips of Jonathan Pageau on self-sacrificial love
43:55 – Will to power vs. self-sacrificial love as fundamental
1:09:03 – Morality as relative vs. ultimate
1:19:01 – Concluding thoughts and questions
