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In June 1982, two worlds of the musical avant-garde collided in Chicago. The legendary composer John Cage sat down with Belgian minimalist Wim Mertens for an interview that would become an iconic piece of music history.
The night before, Cage had attended a performance by Glenn Branca and his wall-of-sound electric guitar ensemble (which featured future members of Sonic Youth). Known for his philosophy of freedom and indeterminacy, Cage was deeply disturbed by Branca’s deafening, uniform control over his musicians.
In this rare recording, titled "So That Each Person Is In Charge Of Himself," Cage delivers a scathing critique, famously comparing Branca’s aggressive conducting and absolute musical conformity to a form of political dictatorship and fascism.
It remains one of the most famous and polarising debates in musical philosophy ever recorded.
In June 1982, two worlds of the musical avant-garde collided in Chicago. The legendary composer John Cage sat down with Belgian minimalist Wim Mertens for an interview that would become an iconic piece of music history.
The night before, Cage had attended a performance by Glenn Branca and his wall-of-sound electric guitar ensemble (which featured future members of Sonic Youth). Known for his philosophy of freedom and indeterminacy, Cage was deeply disturbed by Branca’s deafening, uniform control over his musicians.
In this rare recording, titled "So That Each Person Is In Charge Of Himself," Cage delivers a scathing critique, famously comparing Branca’s aggressive conducting and absolute musical conformity to a form of political dictatorship and fascism.
It remains one of the most famous and polarising debates in musical philosophy ever recorded.



![John CAGE: Credo In Us
Conductor - Rainer Riehn
Percussion - Burkhard Wissemann , Michael Dietz
Piano - Christoph Keller
Turntables [Phonograph], Electronics [Radio] - Johann Nikolaus Matthes
Credo in Us is a musical composition by the American experimental music composer, writer and visual artist John Cage. It was written in July 1942 and revised in October of that year. In the wake of Pearl Harbor, this piece avoided the populist tendencies of fellow American composers at the time, while the pieces title is thought to be a call to collective unity.
Styled as a dramatic playlet for Two Characters, Cage described Credo in Us as a suite with a satirical character. It was composed to accompany a piece of contemporary dance choreographed by his partner and collaborator Merce Cunningham and choreographer Jean Erdman, who performed the piece at its premiere in Bennington College, Vermont on August 1, 1942.
Looking at Credo in Us though the lens of history, we are able to view Credo as a sort of microcosm of Cage’s output. Many typical Cagean aspects are found in this work: the use of piano and percussion (both standard and found instruments) to accompany a dance; the use of radio and electronic sounds (foreshadowing many later works, including Radio Music and Imaginary Landscape No. 4); and the inclusion of random events (whatever happens to be playing on the radio) are all representative of the Cage aesthetic. John CAGE: Credo In Us](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/P6b7oZal-NM/mqdefault.jpg)


![Steve REICH: Music For Pieces Of Wood
Year of composition: 1973
Claves [Clave 1] – László Göőz
Claves [Clave 2] – László Melis
Claves [Clave 3] – Tibor Szemző
Claves [Clave 4] – Ferenc Körmendy
Claves [Clave 5] – András Soós
℗ 1983 Hungaraton
This piece, Music for Pieces of Wood, is a fine example of how something of interest can be made with only basic elements. Pitch is involved in the tuning of the claves, but after the piece is launched, that parameter fades more to the background. To understand the piece, imagine listening to a kaleidoscope. A pattern is established, then it shifts as with the click of the kaleidoscope. There are 58 shifts of pattern within a general 10 minute time frame. Three general sections comprise the overall form. Each section employs an additive progession to build density and is linked to the neighboring section by the underlying quarter note laid down by the first clave player.
The composer provides the following note:
Music for Pieces of Wood grows out of the same roots as Clapping Music: a desire to make music with the simplest possible instruments. The claves, or cylindrical pieces of hard wood, used here were selected for their particular pitches (A, B, C-sharp, D-sharp, and D-sharp an octave above), and for their resonant timbre. This piece is one of the loudest I have ever composed, but uses no amplification whatsoever. The rhythmic structure is based entirely on the process of rhythmic build-ups or the substitution of beats for rests, and is in three sections of decreasing pattern length: 6/4, 4/4, 3/4. - Note by Steve Reich Steve REICH: Music For Pieces Of Wood](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PJH0Io-WRjo/mqdefault.jpg)



