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Few understand both the promise and limitations of artificial general intelligence better than Jack Clark, co-founder of Anthropic. With a background in journalism and the humanities that sets him apart in Silicon Valley, Clark offers a refreshingly sober assessment of AI's economic impact—predicting growth of 3-5% rather than the 20-30% touted by techno-optimists—based on his firsthand experience of repeatedly underestimating AI progress while still recognizing the physical world's resistance to digital transformation.
In this conversation, Jack and Tyler explore which parts of the economy AGI will affect last, where AI will encounter the strongest legal obstacles, the prospect of AI teddy bears, what AI means for the economics of journalism, how competitive the LLM sector will become, why he’s relatively bearish on AI-fueled economic growth, how AI will change American cities, what we'll do with abundant compute, how the law should handle autonomous AI agents, whether we’re entering the age of manager nerds, AI consciousness, when we'll be able to speak directly to dolphins, AI and national sovereignty, how the UK and Singapore might position themselves as AI hubs, what Clark hopes to learn next, and much more.
Recorded March 28th, 2025
Transcript and links: conversationswithtyler.com/episodes/jack-clark
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Timestamps
00:00:00 - On AI's uneven impact
00:04:24 - On AI’s adoption curve in government
00:11:01 - On AI teddy bears
00:17:06 - On the new economics of media
00:21:02 - On the economics of LLM providers
00:28:03 - On AI-fueled economic growth
00:37:07 - On governing AI agents
00:41:31 - On manager nerds
00:44:59 - On AI consciousness
00:50:52 - On AI and national sovereignty
Few understand both the promise and limitations of artificial general intelligence better than Jack Clark, co-founder of Anthropic. With a background in journalism and the humanities that sets him apart in Silicon Valley, Clark offers a refreshingly sober assessment of AI's economic impact—predicting growth of 3-5% rather than the 20-30% touted by techno-optimists—based on his firsthand experience of repeatedly underestimating AI progress while still recognizing the physical world's resistance to digital transformation.
In this conversation, Jack and Tyler explore which parts of the economy AGI will affect last, where AI will encounter the strongest legal obstacles, the prospect of AI teddy bears, what AI means for the economics of journalism, how competitive the LLM sector will become, why he’s relatively bearish on AI-fueled economic growth, how AI will change American cities, what we'll do with abundant compute, how the law should handle autonomous AI agents, whether we’re entering the age of manager nerds, AI consciousness, when we'll be able to speak directly to dolphins, AI and national sovereignty, how the UK and Singapore might position themselves as AI hubs, what Clark hopes to learn next, and much more.
Recorded March 28th, 2025
Transcript and links: conversationswithtyler.com/episodes/jack-clark
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Follow us on X, IG, and Facebook: @cowenconvos
twitter.com/cowenconvos
facebook.com/cowenconvos
instagram.com/cowenconvos
Join us on Discord: discord.gg/JAVWP7vTxt
conversationswithtyler.com
mercatus.org
Timestamps
00:00:00 - On AI's uneven impact
00:04:24 - On AI’s adoption curve in government
00:11:01 - On AI teddy bears
00:17:06 - On the new economics of media
00:21:02 - On the economics of LLM providers
00:28:03 - On AI-fueled economic growth
00:37:07 - On governing AI agents
00:41:31 - On manager nerds
00:44:59 - On AI consciousness
00:50:52 - On AI and national sovereignty
