Sentientism | "It feels really good to be doing the right thing" - Alene Anello - LIC President & Founder - Ep:128 @Sentientism | Uploaded September 2022 | Updated October 2024, 1 hour ago.
Alene (sentientism.info/sentientist-pledge/alene-anello) is the President and Founder of Legal Impact for Chickens. She graduated from Harvard Law School, clerked for a federal judge and then started litigating for animals. She has worked at People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), the Animal Legal Defense Fund & The Good Food Institute. Alene is licensed to practice law in New York, the District of Columbia & California. Alene is committed to helping chickens to honor the memories of her two beloved avian family members, Conrad & Zeke.
In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the two most important questions: “what’s real?” & “what matters?”
Sentientism is "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The audio is on our Podcast: apple.co/391khQO & https://anchor.fm/sentientism.
We discuss:
00:00 Welcome
02:08 Alene's Intro
- "Making factory farm cruelty a liability... we sue companies for abusing animals on factory farms"
02:44 What's Real?
- Raised #atheist "they didn't teach me anything about god"
- A friend & camp counsellor talking about someone who is always watching you - even indoors!
- Mum: "Just don't argue with them because you don't want to make them upset"
- "I'm an atheist today... because I've never been encouraged to be religious I think I have a much more positive view of #religion "
- "It's kind of hard to know if anything's real... I don't feel like I have evidence of anything at all... even that I exist!"
- "I do assume there's ground I can walk on... that the things I see are real"
- "Day to day I live very much like a naturalistic person"
- "There's probably a world outside my body"
- Imperfect memory & perception & dreaming
- Arbitrary beliefs
- "How do I know my mind is functioning correctly?... it helps me have more empathy for people that think very differently"
- Risks & harms of bad epistemology
- #naturalism vs. #dogma vs. #fideism (#faith) vs. fake naturalism
22:25 What Matters?
- "#morality comes from psychology... humans just evolved morality... part of it comes from society"
- Descriptive & normative ethics
- Relativism
- "I have this intuitive sense that suffering is bad & joy is good"
- Utilitarianism
- Equality
- It's hard to convince a psychopath to be moral
- "Pick somebody who already cares about suffering... & show them how whoever I'm concerned about is suffering"
- #Consequentialism, #virtue ethics, #deontology, #feminist care ethics
- Offsetting one being's suffering w/the flourishing of another?
- #pluralism
38:28 Who Matters?
- "I care about animals a lot"
- "If an alien could suffer then I'm concerned about that... or a computer"
- Getting in trouble at college for writing "why we should be kind to robots" #robotrights
- Growing up with dogs "I assumed from the beginning that she had feelings"
- Motivations for denying non-human suffering
- Getting to know Conrad... & birds
- Eating chicken at school... "It reminded me of how his body feels... oh my god chicken is a bird!"
- Giving up eating chicken... later going #vegan
- Eating smaller animals (fishes, chickens) causes more deaths per meal
- #Reducetarian vs. the ethical clarity of #veganism
- Environ. impacts of animal agriculture
- "Plants are edible!"
- "I am vegan today... I decided I didn't want to eat any animals"
- "It feels really good to be doing the right thing"
- Parents resisted (health) but "my health is not as important... My argument was 'let me die to save animals'"
- "I went vegan fully - it was amazing! I felt so happy."
- "I do sometimes have feelings that are outside of sentientism... why did you not warn me that tomato plants die every year?"
- "I'm 99% sentientist"
58:30 A Better Future?
- Improving how animals are treated... maybe a utopia where "suffering would end"
- The scale of sentient animal slaughter (esp. chickens, fishes, shrimps)
- The role of litigation (USA) in reducing suffering of farmed animals
- Legal Impact for Chickens "We're hiring!"
- "I want executives & companies to think about how they're treating animals & to worry that they'll get in trouble"
- Impact litigation. Civil law suits
- Poor enforcement of animal cruelty laws "we don't have time for this"
- #Prop12, #Happyelephant, #UNCAHP, #OregonIP13
- "The law can push things forward"
- General counsels worry about their companies getting sued
- Persuasion & enforcement
- Does #Welfarism risk enabling animal farming?
- "Treating animals better... will bring about the end of factory farming sooner... ask the meat industry."
- Oregon's IP13 & outlawing needless harm/killing #SanctuaryState
- One day animal agri will be illegal.
... & much more! Full show notes at sentientism.info
#Sentientism is “Evidence, reason & compassion for all #sentient beings.” More at sentientism.info/. Join our "I'm a Sentientist" wall sentientism.info/wall/.
Everyone, Sentientist or not, is welcome in our groups. E.g.: facebook.com/groups/sentientism.
Alene (sentientism.info/sentientist-pledge/alene-anello) is the President and Founder of Legal Impact for Chickens. She graduated from Harvard Law School, clerked for a federal judge and then started litigating for animals. She has worked at People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), the Animal Legal Defense Fund & The Good Food Institute. Alene is licensed to practice law in New York, the District of Columbia & California. Alene is committed to helping chickens to honor the memories of her two beloved avian family members, Conrad & Zeke.
In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the two most important questions: “what’s real?” & “what matters?”
Sentientism is "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The audio is on our Podcast: apple.co/391khQO & https://anchor.fm/sentientism.
We discuss:
00:00 Welcome
02:08 Alene's Intro
- "Making factory farm cruelty a liability... we sue companies for abusing animals on factory farms"
02:44 What's Real?
- Raised #atheist "they didn't teach me anything about god"
- A friend & camp counsellor talking about someone who is always watching you - even indoors!
- Mum: "Just don't argue with them because you don't want to make them upset"
- "I'm an atheist today... because I've never been encouraged to be religious I think I have a much more positive view of #religion "
- "It's kind of hard to know if anything's real... I don't feel like I have evidence of anything at all... even that I exist!"
- "I do assume there's ground I can walk on... that the things I see are real"
- "Day to day I live very much like a naturalistic person"
- "There's probably a world outside my body"
- Imperfect memory & perception & dreaming
- Arbitrary beliefs
- "How do I know my mind is functioning correctly?... it helps me have more empathy for people that think very differently"
- Risks & harms of bad epistemology
- #naturalism vs. #dogma vs. #fideism (#faith) vs. fake naturalism
22:25 What Matters?
- "#morality comes from psychology... humans just evolved morality... part of it comes from society"
- Descriptive & normative ethics
- Relativism
- "I have this intuitive sense that suffering is bad & joy is good"
- Utilitarianism
- Equality
- It's hard to convince a psychopath to be moral
- "Pick somebody who already cares about suffering... & show them how whoever I'm concerned about is suffering"
- #Consequentialism, #virtue ethics, #deontology, #feminist care ethics
- Offsetting one being's suffering w/the flourishing of another?
- #pluralism
38:28 Who Matters?
- "I care about animals a lot"
- "If an alien could suffer then I'm concerned about that... or a computer"
- Getting in trouble at college for writing "why we should be kind to robots" #robotrights
- Growing up with dogs "I assumed from the beginning that she had feelings"
- Motivations for denying non-human suffering
- Getting to know Conrad... & birds
- Eating chicken at school... "It reminded me of how his body feels... oh my god chicken is a bird!"
- Giving up eating chicken... later going #vegan
- Eating smaller animals (fishes, chickens) causes more deaths per meal
- #Reducetarian vs. the ethical clarity of #veganism
- Environ. impacts of animal agriculture
- "Plants are edible!"
- "I am vegan today... I decided I didn't want to eat any animals"
- "It feels really good to be doing the right thing"
- Parents resisted (health) but "my health is not as important... My argument was 'let me die to save animals'"
- "I went vegan fully - it was amazing! I felt so happy."
- "I do sometimes have feelings that are outside of sentientism... why did you not warn me that tomato plants die every year?"
- "I'm 99% sentientist"
58:30 A Better Future?
- Improving how animals are treated... maybe a utopia where "suffering would end"
- The scale of sentient animal slaughter (esp. chickens, fishes, shrimps)
- The role of litigation (USA) in reducing suffering of farmed animals
- Legal Impact for Chickens "We're hiring!"
- "I want executives & companies to think about how they're treating animals & to worry that they'll get in trouble"
- Impact litigation. Civil law suits
- Poor enforcement of animal cruelty laws "we don't have time for this"
- #Prop12, #Happyelephant, #UNCAHP, #OregonIP13
- "The law can push things forward"
- General counsels worry about their companies getting sued
- Persuasion & enforcement
- Does #Welfarism risk enabling animal farming?
- "Treating animals better... will bring about the end of factory farming sooner... ask the meat industry."
- Oregon's IP13 & outlawing needless harm/killing #SanctuaryState
- One day animal agri will be illegal.
... & much more! Full show notes at sentientism.info
#Sentientism is “Evidence, reason & compassion for all #sentient beings.” More at sentientism.info/. Join our "I'm a Sentientist" wall sentientism.info/wall/.
Everyone, Sentientist or not, is welcome in our groups. E.g.: facebook.com/groups/sentientism.
