Uploaded June 2025 | Updated September 2026, 3 weeks ago

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Jake Werner joins Connor Echols to unpack the latest news about Trump’s trade war with China—and discuss how rare earths could shape the future of US-China relations.

Full conversation: nonzero.org/p/is-the-us-china-trade-war-about-to

0:00 Headlines
0:57 - Israel-Iran
1:49 - Sanctions
2:32 - NATO
3:10 - Revolving doors
3:57 - US-China trade war
5:09 How China views the Israel-Iran crisis
9:52 Why the Iran attacks undermine US-China talks
11:07 How the US and China reached the brink of all-out trade war
18:56 China's not-so-secret weapon in trade talks
22:11 Why China won't back down
28:41 Trump vs. his advisers
34:35 Structural obstacles to US-China cooperation
38:41 The zero-sum trap: Can both sides grow?

Discussed in Overtime:
How to break out of the US-China doom loop.
From decoupling to war.
The US role in increasing tensions.
Jake: China is a "status quo" power.

Recorded June 13, 2025.

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