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Did Jesus fulfil Old Testament prophecy? A Rabbi and a Christian scholar debate Isaiah 53, Bethlehem, the virgin birth, and the identity of the Messiah.
Host John Nelson brings together two sharp minds for a respectful yet fiery conversation: Dr Johnny Rowlands (Christian Professor at St Mellitus College) and Rabbi Prof Marc Shapiro (of the University of Scranton).
The big question in today's conversation is: whether Scripture predicted the Messiah, or whether the Messiah reshaped how Scripture was understood.
If you’re interested in Jewish–Christian dialogue, biblical prophecy, or the historical Jesus, this episode is for you.
00:00 Welcome: Did Jesus Fulfil Prophecy?
01:10 Introducing Dr Johnny Rowlands & Rabbi Marc Shapiro
03:00 What does It mean to “Fulfil Scripture”?
04:45 Are there really 300 Messianic prophecies?
08:40 Jewish & Christian expectations of the Messiah
14:50 Prophecy or Typology? How ancient Jews read Scripture
26:30 Prophecy istoricised or History Scripturalised?
39:45 Myth, History & how the Gospels use Scripture
58:45 “According to the Scriptures:” Cross & Resurrection
1:13:40 Waiting, hope & the meaning of Messianic expectation
🔍 Key Topics in This Debate
Isaiah 53: Suffering servant: Messiah or Israel?
Micah 5: Did the Messiah have to come from Bethlehem?
Isaiah 7:14: Almah vs Virgin - translation debate
Different Jewish and Christian hermeneutics
Did the Gospels “historicise” prophecy?
Typology, fulfilment, and Second Temple interpretation
Supersessionism, hope, and the future of Jewish–Christian dialogue
Resurrection “according to the Scriptures”: prophecy or re-reading?
This conversation explores whether Scripture predicted the Messiah, or whether the Messiah reshaped how Scripture was read.
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Did Jesus fulfil Old Testament prophecy? A Rabbi and a Christian scholar debate Isaiah 53, Bethlehem, the virgin birth, and the identity of the Messiah.
Host John Nelson brings together two sharp minds for a respectful yet fiery conversation: Dr Johnny Rowlands (Christian Professor at St Mellitus College) and Rabbi Prof Marc Shapiro (of the University of Scranton).
The big question in today's conversation is: whether Scripture predicted the Messiah, or whether the Messiah reshaped how Scripture was understood.
If you’re interested in Jewish–Christian dialogue, biblical prophecy, or the historical Jesus, this episode is for you.
00:00 Welcome: Did Jesus Fulfil Prophecy?
01:10 Introducing Dr Johnny Rowlands & Rabbi Marc Shapiro
03:00 What does It mean to “Fulfil Scripture”?
04:45 Are there really 300 Messianic prophecies?
08:40 Jewish & Christian expectations of the Messiah
14:50 Prophecy or Typology? How ancient Jews read Scripture
26:30 Prophecy istoricised or History Scripturalised?
39:45 Myth, History & how the Gospels use Scripture
58:45 “According to the Scriptures:” Cross & Resurrection
1:13:40 Waiting, hope & the meaning of Messianic expectation
🔍 Key Topics in This Debate
Isaiah 53: Suffering servant: Messiah or Israel?
Micah 5: Did the Messiah have to come from Bethlehem?
Isaiah 7:14: Almah vs Virgin - translation debate
Different Jewish and Christian hermeneutics
Did the Gospels “historicise” prophecy?
Typology, fulfilment, and Second Temple interpretation
Supersessionism, hope, and the future of Jewish–Christian dialogue
Resurrection “according to the Scriptures”: prophecy or re-reading?
This conversation explores whether Scripture predicted the Messiah, or whether the Messiah reshaped how Scripture was read.
• Support us: premierunbelievable.com/geolink/donate
• Subscribe to the Unbelievable? podcast: https://www.premier.plus/unbelievable
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