polýMATHY PLUS | Is comprehensibility possible across all languages? with Ecolinguist | polýMATHY pódCAST #19 @polyMATHYplus | Uploaded December 2022 | Updated October 2024, 1 hour ago.
Norbert Wierzbicki aka the @Ecolinguist has run hundreds inter-language comprehensibility experiments on his famous channel, breaking down language barriers, proving that comprehension goes far further than we ever thought possible. But how far does this go? Are there limits to universal comprehensibility? Norbert answers yours and my questions!
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Norbert Wierzbicki aka the @Ecolinguist has run hundreds inter-language comprehensibility experiments on his famous channel, breaking down language barriers, proving that comprehension goes far further than we ever thought possible. But how far does this go? Are there limits to universal comprehensibility? Norbert answers yours and my questions!
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![Does Latin have lax vowels? Refuting the qualities [ɪ] and [ʊ] for ĭ and ŭ in Classical Latin](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Mu-slOBurvM/hqdefault.jpg "Does Latin have lax vowels? Refuting the qualities [ɪ] and [ʊ] for ĭ and ŭ in Classical Latin
How are Latin vowels supposed to be pronounced? In this video I evaluate the pronunciation of Latin vowels according to W. Sydney Allen in his book Vox Latina, confronting his hypotheses with the inscriptional and linguistic evidence. Based on the data presented by J.N. Adams and Andrea Calabrese, I conclude that Allens system is incorrect for Classical Latin. This is the most detailed video I have made to date on the topic of the pronunciation of Latin vowels, and while a long video, I promise that patient viewers will find many interesting and important ideas that will help them to make their own decisions with respect to reciting, speaking, and teaching Latin.
*See below for timestamps.*
Many thanks to @Glossologia Raphael Turrigiano for his years of collaboration and friendship, whose guidance in these topics has been quintessential. He made extraordinary contributions to this study.
Timeline of authors of Latin, including the grammarians:
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SOURCES
Vox Latina, by W. Sidney Allen
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Calabrese, A., 2022, On the evolution of short high vowels of Latin into Romance
Social Variation and the Latin Language, by JN Adams
https://amzn.to/3TQ4tVF
The Regional Diversification of Latin 200 BC - AD 600, by JN Adams
https://amzn.to/3TRGZ2w
An Anthology of Informal Latin, 200 BC–AD 900: Fifty Texts with Translations and Linguistic Commentary, by JN Adams
https://amzn.to/3gSPOdM
Early and Late Latin: Continuity or Change?, by JN Adams
https://amzn.to/3WcqzDn
Late Latin and Early Romance in Spain and Carolingian France, by Roger Wright
https://amzn.to/3gVkgE0
The Roman Pronunciation of Latin, by Frances E. Lord
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/7528/7528-h/7528-h.htm
Breve grammatica storica dell’italiano, by Paolo D’Achille
https://amzn.to/3fcfv8V
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👨🏫 My Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata playlist · Free Latin Lessons:
https://youtu.be/j7hd799IznU
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00:00:00 BLUF: Latin pronunciation as taught is wrong
00:00:57 Allens argument for ĭ = [ɪ] and ŭ = [ʊ] from Vox Latina
00:08:30 Ancient grammarians commentary
00:20:30 J.N. Adams Social Variation and the Latin Language
00:22:06 Repeat of Allens argument
00:27:42 Vowel confusions in Early Republican Latin
00:29:50 Alternative explanation #1 for Early Republican Latin mispellings: scribal confusion during pre-Classical vowel shift
00:31:54 Alternative explanation #2 for Early Republican Latin mispellings: vowel space differences between Greek and Latin
00:43:59 Adams conclusion on Early Republican Latin mispellings
00:46:02 Early Imperial evidence for changes in the front-vowel system
00:57:05 Pompeii graffiti
01:00:44 4 ways of interpreting dicet at Pompeii
01:01:32 Allens argument reviewed & further statistics
01:02:58 Sardinian & Pompeiian vowels are quite similar
01:08:58 Latin and Oscan vowel systems
01:11:38 Later Latin and front vowels
01:13:20 Review of what weve learned so far
01:17:53 Back-vowel merger evidence
01:22:08 Conclusion on back-vowel merger from Early Republican through Early Imperial times
01:22:52 Later Latin and back vowels
01:24:50 Conclusions on front and back vowel mergers
01:26:43 Regional variation
01:29:23 Adams final conclusions; social variation & vowels
01:32:06 Allens argument reviewed again
01:36:10 Diphthongs
01:42:03 Blowing off space dust: Allens argument reviewed once more
01:44:00 Calabreses argument from On the evolution of short high vowels of Latin into Romance
01:49:00 The strongest evidence for ĭ = [i] and ŭ = [u]
01:51:03 Map of Romance languages with ĭ to [i] and ŭ to [u]
01:54:30 Calabreses conclusion
01:56:46 Devils advocate: could Allen still be right that vowel quantity languages centralize short vowels?
02:02:30 Final review of Allens argument: does it stand up to scrutiny?
02:03:45 Conclusion")
