Uploaded November 2025 | Updated September 2026, 1 week ago
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In this episode, Andy speaks with Jordan Flowers, Executive Director of the Disclosure Foundation, for one of the clearest and most grounded conversations yet about the real work happening behind UAP transparency.
Jordan explains how he moved from Wall Street and McKinsey into the UFO subject, why 2017 changed his life, and how the Disclosure Foundation now operates inside Washington through legal support, policy research, and public education.
We cover whistleblower risks and retaliation, how information actually moves inside Congress, why political capital matters, problems with media coverage, expectations for the Age of Disclosure documentary, and what real transparency could look like.
This is a deep, serious discussion with someone working quietly but significantly behind the scenes.
If you want to understand where disclosure really stands and where it is heading, this episode is essential.
Timestamps
00:00 Welcome and Guest Introduction
01:32 Jordan Flowers' Background and Entry into UAP
05:10 Initial Reactions to UAP and Personal Experiences
09:18 The Evolution of the Disclosure Foundation
15:33 Challenges and Support for Whistleblowers
30:56 Impact of Media and Documentaries on Disclosure
36:17 Legal Support and Defamation
37:01 Defining Evidence and Standards
39:18 Challenges in Public Perception
41:35 Engaging with Congress
43:39 International Collaboration and Future Challenges
46:40 Expanding the Audience and Market Impact
52:31 Listener Questions and Final Thoughts
Check out the organisation here - disclosure.org
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🎵 Music Credits:
"Girl with the Saucer Eyes" – Adam Goldsack → bitly.ws/kvIK
"Goblin Problems" – Sean Cahill → bitly.ws/kvIL
Order my book, Atlas of UFOs, here → geni.us/AtlasOfUFOs
In this episode, Andy speaks with Jordan Flowers, Executive Director of the Disclosure Foundation, for one of the clearest and most grounded conversations yet about the real work happening behind UAP transparency.
Jordan explains how he moved from Wall Street and McKinsey into the UFO subject, why 2017 changed his life, and how the Disclosure Foundation now operates inside Washington through legal support, policy research, and public education.
We cover whistleblower risks and retaliation, how information actually moves inside Congress, why political capital matters, problems with media coverage, expectations for the Age of Disclosure documentary, and what real transparency could look like.
This is a deep, serious discussion with someone working quietly but significantly behind the scenes.
If you want to understand where disclosure really stands and where it is heading, this episode is essential.
Timestamps
00:00 Welcome and Guest Introduction
01:32 Jordan Flowers' Background and Entry into UAP
05:10 Initial Reactions to UAP and Personal Experiences
09:18 The Evolution of the Disclosure Foundation
15:33 Challenges and Support for Whistleblowers
30:56 Impact of Media and Documentaries on Disclosure
36:17 Legal Support and Defamation
37:01 Defining Evidence and Standards
39:18 Challenges in Public Perception
41:35 Engaging with Congress
43:39 International Collaboration and Future Challenges
46:40 Expanding the Audience and Market Impact
52:31 Listener Questions and Final Thoughts
Check out the organisation here - disclosure.org
🔥 Support the show & get bonus content:
🛸 YouTube Memberships: youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join
🛸 Patreon: patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast
🛸 Apple Podcasts: podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397
🛸 Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ
🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast
📲 Connect with the show:
Twitter: @UFOUAPAM
Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast
YouTube: YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast
Email: UFOUAPAM@gmail.com
All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam
Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com
👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps!
Thanks for listening,
Andy
🎵 Music Credits:
"Girl with the Saucer Eyes" – Adam Goldsack → bitly.ws/kvIK
"Goblin Problems" – Sean Cahill → bitly.ws/kvIL
