Uploaded October 2025 | Updated September 2026, 3 weeks ago
Human rights lawyer Clive Stafford Smith joins me for one of the most explosive debates we’ve ever had on Heretics. This isn’t a polite chat — it’s a clash of ideologies on some of the most divisive issues today.
Reach out to Clive: clivestaffordsmith@gmail.com
Visit his site: justiceleague.org.uk
Follow him on X: https://x.com/clivessmith
And Insta: instagram.com/clivestaffordsmith
We go head-to-head on:
- Islam and culture in the West
- Socialism, communism, and the idea of utopia
- Privilege and identity politics
- The death penalty, crime, and justice
- Even the shocking reality of witnessing an execution in the electric chair
Clive and I disagree on almost everything — but that’s exactly why this conversation matters. If you’ve ever wondered how the “other side” thinks about prisons, privilege, or politics, this is the episode to watch.
👉 Let me know in the comments how you would have argued in my place. What would you have said?
Subscribe for more fearless conversations — and keep being a heretic.
#IslamDebate #DeathPenalty #HereticsPodcast
Chapters:
0:00 Clive Stafford-Smith Highlights
2:25 Death Row & Losing A Client
5:25 Joan of Arc - What She Actually Did
8:25 The Reason They Use An Electric Chair!
9:40 Head Caught Fire, Lights Dimmed
11:25 Clive Doesn’t Believe In Prisons!
14:25 P-Philes: What To Do With Them
16:55 Liz Truss vs Keir Starmer
18:45 Clive Was Beaten & Waterboarded At School
21:25 Socialism Debate & Karl Marx
24:55 Utopia
27:25 No True Scotsman - Communist
31:25 The Problem With Be Kind
33:25 Clive Feels He Failed His Father
35:25 The Case of the P-Phile Born That Way
38:25 Those Who Have Offended Should Go To Prison
40:55 Sex Offenders Have to Self-Report
42:55 Coalinga Psychiatric Hospital
45:25 What Trump Said About Charlie Kirk
47:25 What Would Your Last Meal Be?
50:10 Will Charlie Kirk’s Assassin Get Death?
51:25 Convincing an American Jury
56:25 The Dangerous Dopamine Rush
58:25 Clive Representing Muslims Who Try To Convert
1:01:25 What To Do With Religious Extremism
1:05:25 Anti-Semitic Islamists
1:07:25 Hamas vs Netanyahu
1:08:55 The Ultimate Hypocrisy
1:11:15 Jokes About Other People’s Cultures
1:14:10 Letterboxes
1:16:25 White Privilege Debate
1:18:25 Michael Moore
1:21:25 Why We Need Nationalism
1:25:55 A Heretic Clive Admires
Human rights lawyer Clive Stafford Smith joins me for one of the most explosive debates we’ve ever had on Heretics. This isn’t a polite chat — it’s a clash of ideologies on some of the most divisive issues today.
Reach out to Clive: clivestaffordsmith@gmail.com
Visit his site: justiceleague.org.uk
Follow him on X: https://x.com/clivessmith
And Insta: instagram.com/clivestaffordsmith
We go head-to-head on:
- Islam and culture in the West
- Socialism, communism, and the idea of utopia
- Privilege and identity politics
- The death penalty, crime, and justice
- Even the shocking reality of witnessing an execution in the electric chair
Clive and I disagree on almost everything — but that’s exactly why this conversation matters. If you’ve ever wondered how the “other side” thinks about prisons, privilege, or politics, this is the episode to watch.
👉 Let me know in the comments how you would have argued in my place. What would you have said?
Subscribe for more fearless conversations — and keep being a heretic.
#IslamDebate #DeathPenalty #HereticsPodcast
Chapters:
0:00 Clive Stafford-Smith Highlights
2:25 Death Row & Losing A Client
5:25 Joan of Arc - What She Actually Did
8:25 The Reason They Use An Electric Chair!
9:40 Head Caught Fire, Lights Dimmed
11:25 Clive Doesn’t Believe In Prisons!
14:25 P-Philes: What To Do With Them
16:55 Liz Truss vs Keir Starmer
18:45 Clive Was Beaten & Waterboarded At School
21:25 Socialism Debate & Karl Marx
24:55 Utopia
27:25 No True Scotsman - Communist
31:25 The Problem With Be Kind
33:25 Clive Feels He Failed His Father
35:25 The Case of the P-Phile Born That Way
38:25 Those Who Have Offended Should Go To Prison
40:55 Sex Offenders Have to Self-Report
42:55 Coalinga Psychiatric Hospital
45:25 What Trump Said About Charlie Kirk
47:25 What Would Your Last Meal Be?
50:10 Will Charlie Kirk’s Assassin Get Death?
51:25 Convincing an American Jury
56:25 The Dangerous Dopamine Rush
58:25 Clive Representing Muslims Who Try To Convert
1:01:25 What To Do With Religious Extremism
1:05:25 Anti-Semitic Islamists
1:07:25 Hamas vs Netanyahu
1:08:55 The Ultimate Hypocrisy
1:11:15 Jokes About Other People’s Cultures
1:14:10 Letterboxes
1:16:25 White Privilege Debate
1:18:25 Michael Moore
1:21:25 Why We Need Nationalism
1:25:55 A Heretic Clive Admires
