Uploaded June 2026 | Updated September 2026, 3 weeks ago
We tell ourselves the reason we never chase the big dream is that we're not ready, not brave enough, doomed to fail.
Nelly Attar would tell you she felt all of that too… but she chased them anyway.
Nelly is a psychologist turned extreme athlete and mountaineer. She built Saudi Arabia's first dance studio, MOVE, at a time when women couldn't train publicly by sneaking classes into a warehouse and office building after hours. She's the first Lebanese person to climb the five highest peaks in the world, like Everest. And she also became the first Arab to summit K2, the world’s second highest peak that’s so dangerous that one in four people who attempt it survive.
But what makes Nelly remarkable aren’t the summits and heights she reaches. It's that she's found a way to turn individual acts of accomplishment into acts of service: for the women she shows what's possible and for the team that climbs beside her.
In this episode you'll learn:
➡️ The difference between fear that protects you and fear that holds you back
➡️ How preparing and working hard can lighten the load for others
➡️ What small, daily kindness practices become the best investment you can make
➡️ Why there's no such thing as "self-made" and what actually de-risks courage
➡️ The art of “strategic retreat” + why quitting and retreating aren't the same thing
➡️ Why your title and achievements aren’t your identity (and what is)
➡️ How movement is medicine, and why the mind leads the body
➡️ What it really means to live a life of service to the people right in front of you
In this conversation, Nelly shows that the size of what you accomplish matters far less than the spirit you bring to it. She faces her fear for herself, but she does the hard work for everyone else.
This… is _A Bit of Optimism._
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Want to keep up with Nelly’s adventures? Check out: nellyattar.com
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Chapters
00:00:00 If You Don't Try, You'll Never Know
00:02:20 Building Saudi Arabia's First Dance Studio
00:05:26 Dancing Around the Norms: The Real Risk Behind MOVE
00:07:45 Why It Was Worth the Risk: Purpose Over Fear
00:12:36 The Power of Support: No Such Thing as Self-Made
00:14:11 From Dance Studio to Everest: Training in the Desert for a Sub-Zero Peaks
00:20:48 Climbing for Others: Making the Sherpa's Job Easier
00:25:14 The Practice of Kindness: Being of Service to People
00:36:47 K2: Climbing Through Grief After Losing Her Father
00:39:24 One in Four Don't Come Back: The Reality of K2
00:41:00 Retreat vs. Giving Up: Knowing When to Turn Around
00:45:44 Creating Safe Spaces for Others to Discover Their Boundaries
00:48:39 Fear That Protects vs Fear That Holds You Back
00:49:36 Movement Is Medicine: Designed to Move
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Simon is an unshakable optimist. He believes in a bright future and our ability to build it together.
Described as “a visionary thinker with a rare intellect,” Simon has devoted his professional life to help advance a vision of the world that does not yet exist; a world in which the vast majority of people wake up every single morning inspired, feel safe wherever they are and end the day fulfilled by the work that they do.
Simon is the author of multiple best-selling books including _Start With Why,_ _Leaders Eat Last,_ _Together is Better,_ and _The Infinite Game._
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Website:simonsinek.com
Leaderful: simonsinek.com/leaderful
Podcast:apple.co/simonsinek
Instagram:instagram.com/simonsinek
Linkedin:linkedin.com/in/simonsinek
Twitter:twitter.com/simonsinek
Facebook:facebook.com/simonsinek
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#SimonSinek
We tell ourselves the reason we never chase the big dream is that we're not ready, not brave enough, doomed to fail.
Nelly Attar would tell you she felt all of that too… but she chased them anyway.
Nelly is a psychologist turned extreme athlete and mountaineer. She built Saudi Arabia's first dance studio, MOVE, at a time when women couldn't train publicly by sneaking classes into a warehouse and office building after hours. She's the first Lebanese person to climb the five highest peaks in the world, like Everest. And she also became the first Arab to summit K2, the world’s second highest peak that’s so dangerous that one in four people who attempt it survive.
But what makes Nelly remarkable aren’t the summits and heights she reaches. It's that she's found a way to turn individual acts of accomplishment into acts of service: for the women she shows what's possible and for the team that climbs beside her.
In this episode you'll learn:
➡️ The difference between fear that protects you and fear that holds you back
➡️ How preparing and working hard can lighten the load for others
➡️ What small, daily kindness practices become the best investment you can make
➡️ Why there's no such thing as "self-made" and what actually de-risks courage
➡️ The art of “strategic retreat” + why quitting and retreating aren't the same thing
➡️ Why your title and achievements aren’t your identity (and what is)
➡️ How movement is medicine, and why the mind leads the body
➡️ What it really means to live a life of service to the people right in front of you
In this conversation, Nelly shows that the size of what you accomplish matters far less than the spirit you bring to it. She faces her fear for herself, but she does the hard work for everyone else.
This… is _A Bit of Optimism._
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Want to keep up with Nelly’s adventures? Check out: nellyattar.com
+ + +
Chapters
00:00:00 If You Don't Try, You'll Never Know
00:02:20 Building Saudi Arabia's First Dance Studio
00:05:26 Dancing Around the Norms: The Real Risk Behind MOVE
00:07:45 Why It Was Worth the Risk: Purpose Over Fear
00:12:36 The Power of Support: No Such Thing as Self-Made
00:14:11 From Dance Studio to Everest: Training in the Desert for a Sub-Zero Peaks
00:20:48 Climbing for Others: Making the Sherpa's Job Easier
00:25:14 The Practice of Kindness: Being of Service to People
00:36:47 K2: Climbing Through Grief After Losing Her Father
00:39:24 One in Four Don't Come Back: The Reality of K2
00:41:00 Retreat vs. Giving Up: Knowing When to Turn Around
00:45:44 Creating Safe Spaces for Others to Discover Their Boundaries
00:48:39 Fear That Protects vs Fear That Holds You Back
00:49:36 Movement Is Medicine: Designed to Move
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Simon is an unshakable optimist. He believes in a bright future and our ability to build it together.
Described as “a visionary thinker with a rare intellect,” Simon has devoted his professional life to help advance a vision of the world that does not yet exist; a world in which the vast majority of people wake up every single morning inspired, feel safe wherever they are and end the day fulfilled by the work that they do.
Simon is the author of multiple best-selling books including _Start With Why,_ _Leaders Eat Last,_ _Together is Better,_ and _The Infinite Game._
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Website:simonsinek.com
Leaderful: simonsinek.com/leaderful
Podcast:apple.co/simonsinek
Instagram:instagram.com/simonsinek
Linkedin:linkedin.com/in/simonsinek
Twitter:twitter.com/simonsinek
Facebook:facebook.com/simonsinek
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#SimonSinek
