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0:00 Why Max helped organize the 2023 “Pause AI” letter
6:48 AI as a species not a technology
12:08 The rate of AI progress since 2023
21:20 Loss of control is the biggest risk
32:18 How to get the NatSec community’s attention
35:48 How we could lose control
37:53 He we stay in control
47:06 Heading to Overtime

Discussed in Overtime:
Alignment's inherent shortcomings.
AI autonomy.
Regulations and governance.
The importance of “organic” dialogue.
How afraid of China are leaders really?
JD Vance’s Paris IA Summit speech.
Cosmic directionality.

Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Max Tegmark (MIT, Future of Life Institute, Life 3.0). Recorded April 30, 2025.

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