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It’s no secret that Spotify pays artists extremely poorly, but it turns out they don’t treat their customers much better. Author and journalist Liz Pelly’s new book, Mood Machine: The Rise of Spotify and the Costs of the Perfect Playlist, investigates how Spotify has accelerated the collapse of the music industry, along with their shady practices such as filling playlists with stock music—fooling customers into listening to artists who don’t actually exist. This week, Adam sits with Liz to talk about how a service that brands itself around “discovery” is actually flattening the music-listening experience of customers worldwide. Find Liz's book at factuallypod.com/books
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It’s no secret that Spotify pays artists extremely poorly, but it turns out they don’t treat their customers much better. Author and journalist Liz Pelly’s new book, Mood Machine: The Rise of Spotify and the Costs of the Perfect Playlist, investigates how Spotify has accelerated the collapse of the music industry, along with their shady practices such as filling playlists with stock music—fooling customers into listening to artists who don’t actually exist. This week, Adam sits with Liz to talk about how a service that brands itself around “discovery” is actually flattening the music-listening experience of customers worldwide. Find Liz's book at factuallypod.com/books
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SUPPORT THE SHOW ON PATREON: patreon.com/adamconover
SEE ADAM ON TOUR: adamconover.net/tourdates
SUBSCRIBE to and RATE Factually! on:
» Apple Podcasts: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/factually-with-adam-conover/id1463460577
» Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/0fK8WJw4ffMc2NWydBlDyJ
About Headgum: Headgum is an LA & NY-based podcast network creating premium podcasts with the funniest, most engaging voices in comedy to achieve one goal: Making our audience and ourselves laugh. Listen to our shows at https://www.headgum.com.
» SUBSCRIBE to Headgum: youtube.com/c/HeadGum?sub_confirmation=1
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